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I agree. Full time employment comes with it the expectation of a higher level of job security (contractors are fired or laid off first), along with benefits (PT

I agree. Full time employment comes with it the expectation of a higher level of job security (contractors are fired or laid off first), along with benefits (PTO, healthcare, stock options, etc). Let’s say 100k base salary. 5% additional comp (bonuses or stock, this is conservative number). Healthcare for you, another $300/month, not even counting employers who cover dependents. Ignoring all taxes including FICA. PTO 3 weeks (120 hours). Base salary is 48/hour, but your total comp will bring it to more like 58/hour. Which is probably more than your contractor counterparts. You trade a little bit more of your time (responding to outages or crunching for a product launch deadline) for the security and benefits. If one of my employees refused to respond to an outage because it’s outside 9-5 working hours, I would fire them for cause (pending approval from legal of course).

aaomidi 4y ago
Lol - maybe setup a proper oncall system with actual compensation if you expect out of hours working time?
- irl_chad 4y ago
  Yeah because total comp starting 125k total comp for lowest positions at my company, fully remote, can’t handle an outage. It’s part of the job description of a software engineer - if you don’t like that, don’t take a W2 job and just work as a contractor?
dekhn 4y ago
Firing an employee for not responding to an outage outside working hours is your problem, not theirs, presuming you didn't include out-of-working hours in their contract.
Marsymars 4y ago
What’s the difference between refusing to respond to an outage and having pre-existing commitments that make you unreachable (e.g. outdoor activities outside of cell coverage) or that aren’t compatible with work (e.g. childcare)?
- irl_chad 4y ago
  On-call schedule. Everyone goes on rotation, gets different days. If you miss your day, well, you knew in advance you would be on call that day.
  - Marsymars 4y ago
    Right, that's an appropriate way to do it. It sounded like you were expecting everyone to be on call all the time.
papito 4y ago
I wouldn't call the full-time status as "job security". It's healthier to arrange your life and finances in a way that assumes your job can end at any moment. Employers love FT because you pay a fixed salary but you can squeeze more hours out of the employees. This person is case in point. Did she get a bonus? No. She got shit-canned. There was a study that claimed losing a job caused the same level of grief for some as losing a loved one. Don't be that person. You are just a mercenary on contract, you are not part of a mission, or saving the world or (ugh), a FAMILY.

aaomidi 4y ago

Lol - maybe setup a proper oncall system with actual compensation if you expect out of hours working time?

irl_chad 4y ago
Yeah because total comp starting 125k total comp for lowest positions at my company, fully remote, can’t handle an outage. It’s part of the job description of a software engineer - if you don’t like that, don’t take a W2 job and just work as a contractor?

dekhn 4y ago

Firing an employee for not responding to an outage outside working hours is your problem, not theirs, presuming you didn't include out-of-working hours in their contract.

Marsymars 4y ago

What’s the difference between refusing to respond to an outage and having pre-existing commitments that make you unreachable (e.g. outdoor activities outside of cell coverage) or that aren’t compatible with work (e.g. childcare)?

irl_chad 4y ago
On-call schedule. Everyone goes on rotation, gets different days. If you miss your day, well, you knew in advance you would be on call that day.
- Marsymars 4y ago
  Right, that's an appropriate way to do it. It sounded like you were expecting everyone to be on call all the time.

papito 4y ago

I wouldn't call the full-time status as "job security". It's healthier to arrange your life and finances in a way that assumes your job can end at any moment. Employers love FT because you pay a fixed salary but you can squeeze more hours out of the employees. This person is case in point. Did she get a bonus? No. She got shit-canned. There was a study that claimed losing a job caused the same level of grief for some as losing a loved one. Don't be that person. You are just a mercenary on contract, you are not part of a mission, or saving the world or (ugh), a FAMILY.