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TikTok just dropped a new realistic beauty filter

207 points by ZephyrBlu 4y ago

ZephyrBlu 4y ago
Kind of a follow-up to this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34918735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34918735
Grimburger 4y ago
Think of all the makeup time saved for people making short videos at home. Truly an environmental breakthrough.
- hgs3 4y ago
  I remember watching this Jetsons sketch [1] as a youngster and never thought I'd see the day when it would become reality. What's even more amazing is its a filter rather than something physical like in the sketch. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0idWiHiasKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0idWiHiasKg
- devsda 4y ago
  It could go the other way too. Lots of people spending more time & resources trying to recreate something similar in real life. I just hope this does not increase the already ridiculous social/peer pressure among young women to match these artificial beauty standards.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Wow, I am so glad I'm not the parent of a teenage girl right now. At the same time, I wonder if perfect filters like this might actually result in people rejecting beauty standards like this. I mean, if everyone can easily look this good online, if people start to think that it's impossible to determine the veracity of anything that wasn't done face-to-face, maybe people will just start rejecting it. Kind of like how I never answer my phone anymore from numbers I don't know because there is a 95%+ chance it's spam/phishing/etc.
- userbinator 4y ago
  I wonder if perfect filters like this might actually result in people rejecting beauty standards like this. Maybe it's because I was used to an earlier era, in which photos actually had to be developed and were taken with something called film, but I suspect I'm not the only one who finds this sort of "beauty" very unnatural and even somewhat repulsive, almost uncanny-valley style. It's like they don't look like actual humans anymore, but more like androids pretending to be humans. In other words, this filter doesn't look "realistic" to me at all.
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  - Semaphor 4y ago
    I found the videos earlier through a blogger. He called it a "barbie filter"
  - kurthr 4y ago
    They've been Yassified. https://centennialbeauty.com/yassification-how-this-viral-twitter-meme-asserts-harmful-eurocentric-ideals-of-beauty/ https://centennialbeauty.com/yassification-how-this-viral-tw...
    - aembleton 4y ago
      That article feels like it was written by GPT-3. Just something about its writing style.
      - kurthr 4y ago
        Man doesn't everything generic... there's just a safe tone to HR correct writing that LLMs have? I think this is from a couple of years ago so probably not, but things are getting meta.
  - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
    everytime i stumble on those tiktok clips with teenagers dancing awkwardly it seems to me more like humans pretending to be androids.
cma 4y ago
It won't be long until it is done in realtime in passthrough-AR headsets.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  That's available now, for about $10-20 you can buy a set of 'beer goggles' and everyone around you becomes 5x better looking. Bonus, you become a fantastically interesting conversationalist whose plans always work out perfectly.
  - reilly3000 4y ago
    Also they make you able to jump over parking meters in a single bound, ostensibly. Yes that happened. Yes it hurt just a tad worst than you can imagine it might.
  - guessbest 4y ago
    You can't drive with the headset on and public transit is severely lacking.
- barking_biscuit 4y ago
  Beer Goggles
awb 4y ago
“Realistic” in the sense that it’s nearly impossible to see that a filter is being applied. But unrealistic in the sense that it makes significant changes to the user’s looks. Sad to watch the reveal reaction videos further down in the thread.
- usefulcat 4y ago
  > “Realistic” in the sense that it’s nearly impossible to see that a filter is being applied. After looking at several of the videos, you start to notice some similarities, at which point it becomes a lot more obvious. The vast majority of normal people just don't look like that, certainly not most of the time. So if you see someone with a perfect-looking face like in these videos, either they're a professional model or they've used a filter. Not hard to figure out which one of those possibilities is overwhelmingly more likely.. Still, even if you know all that it probably won't be enough to stop this stuff from messing with your brain if you look at it often enough.
  - ars 4y ago
    > with a perfect-looking face Do people actually like how this looks? I can hardly stand to watch these videos. It's hard to explain - it's like I'm watching something disgusting. Like maybe uncanny valley? It's like I'm watching a dead doll talk.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      I think people who make themselves look that way with makeup are disgusting and unnatural too, regardless of whether they're using a video filter.
- swatcoder 4y ago
  They look stylistically realistic, but are indeed unnatural and easy to spot as fake. It's probably just that picking up on the clues depends on how attentive you are to what details in face. But "nearly impossible to see" is going to last all of a week, until the people who are currently blind to them start picking up on the tells. It's a good discussion though, because they're just going to keep improving.
Mistletoe 4y ago
The examples below her tweet just show it to be basically animation. No real semblance to the real faces. Reminds me of a lot of the fantasyland Snap has been propagating for a while now. More Roger Rabbit than filter. “If you want a picture of the future, imagine an airbrush stamping on a human face— forever.”
- selcuka 4y ago
  > No real semblance to the real faces. Just wait until v2.0 is released. This is just the beginning.
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pupppet 4y ago
On the plus side, maybe everyone will stop trusting photos on dating sites and instead concentrate on the bio...written by ChatGPT.
aaron695 4y ago
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beebmam 4y ago
I think it's fine. Filters aren't a new thing. It's a problem for kids, but children should be banned from social media for an enormous number of reasons. The problem with TikTok isn't the filters. It's the password/clipboard scraping, the enormous level of data collection on its users, combined with the fact that TikTok is ultimately a wing of the Chinese Communist Party.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  > I think it's fine. Filters aren't a new thing. The whole point though is that undetectable filters are a new thing. Like the first video said, you used to be able to know when someone was using a filter or not, and that's not really true anymore. Plus, as some of the other videos in that tweet thread say, it's not like these filters haven't fucked with people's heads already, e.g. the photographer who takes actual photos of people and then people look behind the camera and are shocked at how "ugly" they are because the filtered view is their baseline.
  - incrudible 4y ago
    I do not buy into the moral panic angle. At least for women, the result is basically like putting on professional make up. It is not obvious that it is a filter, but it is obviously make up. It is quite possible for them to look like that in real life, if they put in the effort.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    Eh. Instagram had filters years and years ago, so much that people developed #nofilter. Video is different but I don't think that it so fundamentally changes the situation.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
That account has a more interesting thread from a few days ago about how a teenage-ify filter took older tiktok by storm: https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1628758590033993728 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1628758590033993728
tayo42 4y ago
Seems like it is just works for some people. These dramatic videos get clicks. It made some odd and inhuman looking adjustments to my gf. Made her cheek bones look weird and mouth to wide. Not as good as I seen her with pro make up. Interestingly it didn't change anything about me, a male. Maybe I'm already beautiful? The teen one didn't look good for us either. Face was too smooth, didn't handle stubble on my face. Looked nothing like how I actually looked at 18. I don't think there's anything to worry about yet
- mcphage 4y ago
  > The teen one didn't look good for us either. Face was too smooth, didn't handle stubble on my face. Looked nothing like how I actually looked at 18. I tried the teen one, and had a similar result. I don't think it plays nicely with a full beard, but I definitely didn't see a younger version of myself on the screen.
  - hnbear 4y ago
    I have a largish beard and my kids are always amused by how badly the filters work with the beard. It's like the edge detection for faces gets completely thrown off by it, so the filter just half removes it, leaving an aurora of beard outside my fake filtered face.
alanfranz 4y ago
My 2c: it’s the beginning of the end for some tech areas. Especially social networks. You chat with people online because you think, you know, that people exist on the other side. You spend time on instagram, tiktok, and so, to get a glimpse of real people (as opposed to TV where a lot is fiction/sfx). You trust photos because, barring dedicated, time-consuming and skill-intensive editing, they should represent reality. If that’s not true anymore, and everything is fiction, it’s probably time to get back to IRL experiences.
- humanizersequel 4y ago
  Or even more stringent verification will become the norm.
- gpt5 4y ago
  I wish that was true. I wish that were true. In practice, as virtual experiences become better and more realistic, I would expect people to spend more time in virtual environments, not less
  - alanfranz 4y ago
    Just as videogames, though. Or do you think this fake reality will actually replace “real world interactions?”
- jsemrau 4y ago
  We are so close to this reality. I made this TikTok video through a workflow of Stable Diffusion (Python), DeepCQ/Finclout, ElevnLabs, and Di-D. And if I with my limited ability can reach this level, someone with more able hands (and budget) can reach much higher levels of reality. Social as we know it is dead. But then, if you look at TikTok it boils down to Boobs, Quizzes, and Twitter screenshots. (1) https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/7201663016839023873 https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/72016630168390... (2) https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/7200580894640311554 https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/72005808946403...
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xkcd-sucks 4y ago
Yeah yeah it's in TFA, but does "dropped" mean removed from, or released to, public distribution?
- jnwatson 4y ago
  This use of “dropped” started in the music industry. It means released.
  - xeyownt 4y ago
    Very weird. I thought they were abandoning it.
    - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
      It's common lingo in a lot of communities (E.g. sneakers, fashion, music, gaming, etc), especially ones that skew younger.
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  - WinnieRallycar 4y ago
    Funnily enough, saying a music label "dropped" an artist means the opposite.
    - ziml77 4y ago
      As far as the usages of "dropped" in music industry terminology goes, I think it's pretty clear which meaning is intended. But outside of that, when the direct object is not a person, it's often ambiguous enough that it would be better to either use a different word or at least change the phrasing to add additional clues to the meaning.
dougmwne 4y ago
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?
raydiatian 4y ago
We need to start training a culture of rejection of this kind of nonsense. Not at a Justice system level but at breakfast,lunch,dinner table level.
anigbrowl 4y ago
I didn't download the videos to test, but I had the impression it was changing the voice slightly as well, making it a little deeper and cleaning up a little of the ambient sound.
AbrahamParangi 4y ago
Buying your child a smartphone seems increasingly unwise as time goes on.
- Moldoteck 4y ago
  same could be said about many adults)
- theshrike79 4y ago
  It's a huge catch-22: You need a smartphone to take part in modern social life. (Yes, adults can choose life without a smartphone or any social media, in reality teenagers can't without being ostracised). On the other hand using smartphones and social media can also result in stress and comparing your ordinary life to other people's highlights.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    What about a smartphone that is locked down? Apps are curated by parents and certain websites blocked. Also, there are tons of things that have ostracized teenagers in the last. Why do smartphones have such a stranglehold? It seems we are becoming more and more afraid of being different.
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      It's not "being different" not having a smartphone to keep in contact with your peers is akin to being homeschooled /w no hobbies. You basically have no social circle to speak of. Without a smartphone and access to the chat app of choice, you'll be left out of a good part of out-of-school socialisation. For example nobody gives out invites to birthdays on cards at class anymore, they do it via WhatsApp and you reply the same way.
      - bmitc 4y ago
        Yea, but access to chatting apps isn't necessarily the same as access to social media apps, except maybe Facebook's messaging. Having WhatsApp, text messaging, iMessage, Line, WeChat, etc. doesn't mean you need to install TikTok or Instagram.
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genericacct 4y ago
These are going to be the killer app for AR goggles..
- jacooper 4y ago
  Hate ugly people? Make everyone beautiful!
throwawayiemso 4y ago
I'm feeling very raw about all this. I feel I need to call all that comes this app what it is: an attack on our country via its young people. An attempt to turn the West's teenagers, especially women, into unserious and manipulable adults. In America, a non-immigrant teenager has little chance to graduate high school knowing the laws of electromagnetism, or other valuable scientific and engineering knowledge necessary for society to face its challenges. Instead, they have every chance to learn all sorts of modern inventions: genders, ever more contrived notions or identity, social justice shibboleths, etc.. The result is an American public that is profoundly unserious in its approach to the world. Factually, they rely of foreign migration to sustain their core functions: healthcare, etc... They don't solve their problems at home. When I see TikTok I see an act of hybrid warfare. I see foreign aggression against America, no different than if that power introduced a powerful synthetic opioid into the country. Flat-out aggression isn't acceptable, so they strike at us indirectly while maintaining plausible deniability. The advertising on TikTok is valuable, so many influential individuals in business will look the other way. Only a week ago the media were up in arms about the "revelation" that 30% of teenage girls now state they consider suicide, and a 36% increase in reported feelings of hopelessness since 2011. If politicians do not speak the truth in plain terms, truly I can only consider them traitors, and jointly responsible for the additional deaths that result. This aggression doesn't go unnoticed!
- SteveDR 4y ago
  Sir, this is a Wendy’s. What does tiktok have anything to do with your claim that stem education is being replaced by “social justice shibboleths”?
  - throwawayiemso 4y ago
    Social justice fads are primarily distributed via social media. In particular, TikTok is notorious for promulgating it to K-12 age students. It displaces more meaningful media, educational and otherwise. To reiterate: the prosperity of the country depends on young people being educated in stem fields, whereas because of TikTok they are being socialized in a different way entirely.
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return_to_monke 4y ago
do people want this? why do people want this? this sounds very distopian.
- aembleton 4y ago
  Same reason people wear makeup - because they care about their appearance.
hypertele-Xii 4y ago
If "realistic beauty" equates to "waxy doll", then sure. To me it looks like a kilogram of botox and makeup. Wouldn't date that.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  But that's the issue, it looks like a kilogram of botox and makeup, not like a digital filter. Whatever you would date, a filter can do it in real-time without artifacts.
nitin87 4y ago
wooo
cute_boi 4y ago
Wow, lot of money is going to be save as people don't need to buy makeup for making videos :)
nitin87 4y ago
tiktok banned in india
DonHopkins 4y ago
An EPIC scene from "The Congress" (2014): A short but entirely mesmerizing drug come-down, reality dissolving scene from the film "The Congress" (2014) based on the 1971 novel "The Futurological Congress" by Stanisław Lem. All rights to the makers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMI8HWhqEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMI8HWhqEc The comments on this youtube video are actually spot on and excellent! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8314622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8314622 DonHopkins on Sept 14, 2014 | parent | context | favorite | on: The Future According to Stanisław Lem I just watched The Congress -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) -- and WOW, it was excellent. Quite different from the book The Futurological Conference that it's based on: for example, it had cockroaches playing poker instead of sewer rats playing bridge. ;) But well worth watching for its unique take on the entertainment dictatorship. If you liked Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Looker, and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, you won't be disappointed! Something weird happens in the middle of the film, that's all I'll say... >According to director Ari Folman, some elements of the film were inspired by the science fiction novel The Futurological Congress by Stanisław Lem in that similarly to Lem's Ijon Tichy, the actress is split between delusional and real mental states. Later, at the official website of the film, in an interview, Folman says that the idea to put Lem's work to film came to him during his film school. He describes how he reconsidered Lem's allegory of communist dictatorship into a more current setting, namely, the dictatorship in the entertainment business, and expresses his belief that he preserved the spirit of the book despite going far away from it. It took longer than its length of two hours to watch, because I had to stop and rewind to replay and and freeze frames frequently. (Check out what's going on in the fish tank while she's saying "I wish you could see me animated, it's pretty sick. It's like a genius designer on a bad acid trip. Oh my god, I don't know, I look like a combination between Cinderella on heroin and an Egyptian queen on a bad hair day".) I'm going to have to watch it many more times, because there were a lot of details to absorb -- time will tell if it's up there with Blade Runner as one of my favorite movies very loosely based on a great book. https://culture.pl/en/article/ari-folman-on-the-genius-of-stanislaw-lem https://culture.pl/en/article/ari-folman-on-the-genius-of-st... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15175516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15175516 DonHopkins on Sept 5, 2017 | parent | context | favorite | on: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris I really loved the movie The Congress, directed by Ari Folman, an adaptation of The Futurological Congress. Like Blade Runner's relationship to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, it was a lot different than the book, but shares some deep ideas, and stands on its own as a great movie. The scene in the USC ICT's motion capture studio was riveting, with Robin Wright playing a partly fictionalized version of herself, and Harvey Keitel playing her agent, baring their souls to the giant emotion capturing machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30069100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30069100 DonHopkins 8 months ago | parent | prev | next [–] Paul Debevec created the Light Stage to capture high dynamic range reflectance fields (including clean high resolution normal/bump/gloss/texture maps) of human faces. It uses hundreds polarized LED lights and cameras, plus lots of image processing, to separate the lighting effects of specular reflectance (glossy shine) from subsurface scattering (glowing skin), so you can reconstruct the 3D image and relight it under different conditions, environments, and viewing angles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Debevec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Debevec https://www.pauldebevec.com/ https://www.pauldebevec.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_stage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_stage "The Light Stage With Paul Debevec" - 360 Video (captured with JauntVR panoramic camera): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujwI4dimDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujwI4dimDA Digitizing Photorealistic Humans Inside USC's Light Stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QJT5CXl3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QJT5CXl3o Paul Debevec: Light Fields, Light Stages, and the Future of Virtual Production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAe2dUJxe3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAe2dUJxe3w A Light Stage was featured in the 2013 film "The Congress", which is a 2013 film adaptation of Stanislaw Lem's book, "The Futurological Congress", directed by Ari Folman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress I really love that movie and the book it was based on, which both raised some interesting issues: Like Blade Runner's relationship to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, it was a lot different than the book, but shares some deep ideas, and stands on its own as a great movie. The Congress Official Trailer (2014) Robin Wright, Jon Hamm HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws The scan scene in the Light Stage at USC ICT's motion capture studio was emotionally riveting and technically realistic, with Robin Wright playing a partially fictionalized version of herself, with Harvey Keitel playing her agent, baring her face and soul to the sparkling panoptic all encompassing emotion capturing machine. The Congress (2013) Scan Scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 [...]
muskmusk 4y ago
Not sure I understand the commotion. The same thing can be done in the real world with enough time and money. But somehow doing it digitally for free is a problem? If teenage girls don't know how to handle this then maybe we should teach them?
hectorlorenzo 4y ago
Next logical step is filter customization that you carry around and gets applied seamlessly to all videos you post on the platform. Next to that becomes filters that get applied based on consumer preferences: if you have indicated a certain preference for big brown eyes, TikTok might enlarge and darken them for all videos you watch. Argh.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Hey man! They are just optimizing for the user, nothing serious!/s
gnicholas 4y ago
AKA: This TikToker does not exist.
SteveDR 4y ago
Why are all the videos saying this is awful? I feel like I’m missing something… is the idea that people will learn that they’re not 10/10 attractive when they use this filter? I’m pretty sure most people are aware of this, and if they’re, it’s on them to reconsider their values things if that kind of thing has a big impact on their ego…
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  the women gender identity has a lot people that are susceptible to body dysphoria, we don't actually know why or the nature of this mental state or how much of it is cultural conditioning or a side effect of pure selection or anything else, we just try to accommodate the rest of us will never understand why countries felt the need to regulate post-processing in fashion magazines, or why filters have any affect at all but if its a social problem for a large population, which it is, then we have to react to that or at least acknowledge that it is.
  - SteveDR 4y ago
    I didn’t know about the regulation of image processing, thanks. I agree with your main point, that we should address body dysphoria… I just think that this ubiquitous meme that “beauty filters make people more insecure overall” is wrong. The beautification achieved by these filters has been around for over 20 years. The difference is that today, that technology is accessible to everyone— any little girl can go to Snapchat and look like Kim Kardashian, and say “oh, this isn’t real.” Whereas 20 years ago celebrities would spend hours upon hours with cosmeticians, surgeons, make up artists, and digital FX artists sculpting their image, all to appear on the cover of a magazine saying “my new diet has worked wonders for my skin!” The playing field is more level than ever. And also, the technology isn’t going anywhere. So I think the best next move is to have conversations (especially with daughters) about taking pride in the parts of you that won’t be washed away by an AR filter.
petesergeant 4y ago
I love it, because it’ll very quickly teach people that these images aren’t real. Photoshoots of celebrities have been heavily edited since forever, but I think people don’t really realise that on a fundamental level because they see relatively few. One year of this and no teenager is going to believe any photo they see of a celeb or influencer is real, and will stop chasing it. Maybe. Anyway, I think my point is that we’re rapidly transitioning to a world where realistic photos and videos are no longer proof of anything, and the transition between before and after will be awkward, so the more it can be accelerated the better
wiseowise 4y ago
Most of the women in the twitter thread are beautiful regardless of filter. It only saves the time applying makeup for them.
- rasz 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629928959268868103 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629928959268868103 >It's doing plastic surgery too, on cheek bones, jawline, nose. Also changes shape of eyes, eyebrows, lips, teeth. It even seems to be doing different things to different people. (You may not be able to see all this on this small selection, but Ive been through hundreds of videos)
- blahblago 4y ago
  What’s so beautiful about being fraudulent or insecure - pretty ugly if you ask me.
est 4y ago
https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629980803923865601 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629980803923865601 what, the filter even changed the tone of the hand slightly
blahblago 4y ago
Makeup, plastic surgery, hair implants, Bentleys, this filter, lying on your resume, etc. What’s the difference? People who are into it will be into it, and others will not care and just avoid. Isn’t this what the people want though, so why not give it to them in our capitalist society? I mean, you can’t even find one negative comment in YouTube anymore. So like, why look at people who don’t fit what we as a majority find statistically attractive? They do it with people in movies and TVs. Only basic and naive people care about this stuff…a filter is not going to do more damage to how they already think. Raise a kid to value knowledge, relationships and morals and they couldn’t care less about this. Let them swim freely in our garbage society of deception and greed and this is what you get. Meh
fatneckbeard 4y ago
dude what if HackerNews had a Graybeard filter so every reply i wrote sounded like i really really knew what i was talking about even if i didn't.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  There was a post a few days ago about a GPT that was trained on HN. It would be interesting if it could be tweaked so that highly-upvoted posts had more weight. That would allow you to create output that sounds like a smart HNer. I wonder what attributes such comments have in common?
st-keller 4y ago
Impressing tec! But i never liked make-up or understood why people pay plastic surgeons to ruin their perfectly nice and authentic faces. It kind of makes people artificial and way less interesting. So this is lost on me.
zahrc 4y ago
I wish she would’ve gone into more detail on why it’s bad, why it’s so frightening. I know the answer; but many don’t, and no one of the videos posted, gave any good insight on why this is scary. Call out the problem! Seems like most of the videos posted in that thread are just adding noise to the existing noise. (For clicks of course)
- missingdays 4y ago
  I wish you would've gone into more detail on why it's bad, why it's so frightening. Call out the problem!
f0ld 4y ago
How is this evil & bad? why was face makeup allowed in the first place? why is this suddenly evil huh? cause it's free? you can't sell oily makeup products anymore? or is OP behind this Ai trick and he just wants to promote his thesis by getting people angry? everyone is playing chess every single seconds these days I can't trust nothing.
- TrackerFF 4y ago
  I haven't tried this filter, but some of the older filters would alter the structure of the face. Makes the jaw a bit more defined, higher cheekbones, makes nose smaller, changes eyes, and the list goes on. And once people start using these beauty filters, it's hard to go back if you're somewhat insecure to start with. Unfortunately, many of these things can be done permanently via surgery. Do we want a whole generation of teenagers that dream of getting their face "fixed" ?
gnicholas 4y ago
The truly creepy thing is that the app is watching you as you observe your filtered self. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked the filters, or created new ones, based on A/B testing and watching the users' reactions.
poisonborz 4y ago
My 1.99 penny doom prediction: this is actually good, and will help destroy beauty standards in general. Beauty will not matter when it is easily achievable/buyable. People will look at any sort of body modding technics with disgust. Similar to how Instagram effects (like color overlay, bloom, burn-in) were first seen as nice but quickly everything had it, it took 2 taps, and looking back now it's incredibly tacky.
- swah 4y ago
  Yes, either that or this will make lip filling procedures sell 100x more.
  - xtracto 4y ago
    Imagine the time when you get an app like that does this effect, and then tells you: it will cost you $2500 to have the required procedures to permanently look like this in real life. Referring you to your closest plastic surgeon. The future will be crazy.
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- kertoip_1 4y ago
  Or people will get used to seeing make-up so much, that having it would be even more essential in IRL interactions
  - BizarroLand 4y ago
    Given that we have a psychological vulnerability to supernormalization, I fear that it will cause even the most naturally beautiful people in our society to feel ugly and unlovable for even their smallest imperfections and alter our beauty standards to the point where supermodels in real life are considered merely the "girl next door". Of course, we could have a global awakening and see through the lies the industry is pushing on us and reject this trend entirely, but I fear the former is more likely than the latter.
bmitc 4y ago
Humans have fought for years over different colored bananas. Now we're creating virtual bananas to gawk at, be jealous of, and envy. Humans have nearly zero capacity to emotionally deal with the technology we create.
sourcecodeplz 4y ago
Eh so what. We have facial hair and hair gel to play with. Women have makeup. Let them be.
yowzadave 4y ago
I wonder when this technology will be good/flexible enough to use in filmmaking, where it seems like it could replace a chunk of work currently done by makeup/VFX, and give real-time results. There’s an old Asimov short story, Gold, which describes a future of filmmaking that seems more similar to this than the way movies are currently made: everything is animated/CGI, but in real-time—the animators are performers as well who deliver their performance while the director offers feedback.
- favaq 4y ago
  Similar technologies were extensively used in The Irishman (2019) to make the actors look younger and older.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
Does Instagram offer a similar filter? If not, can we conclude that China is somewhat ahead in the AI game?
thdespou 4y ago
This thing just made women craaazy.
WelcomeShorty 4y ago
I wrote a story 20 years ago about two beautiful people who made a child that looked like shit. They then found out both of them had multiple plastic surgeries but still ugly genes. Guess we're there online now too.

207 points by ZephyrBlu 4y ago

Kind of a follow-up to this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34918735 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34918735

Grimburger 4y ago

Think of all the makeup time saved for people making short videos at home. Truly an environmental breakthrough.

hgs3 4y ago
I remember watching this Jetsons sketch [1] as a youngster and never thought I'd see the day when it would become reality. What's even more amazing is its a filter rather than something physical like in the sketch. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0idWiHiasKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0idWiHiasKg
devsda 4y ago
It could go the other way too. Lots of people spending more time & resources trying to recreate something similar in real life. I just hope this does not increase the already ridiculous social/peer pressure among young women to match these artificial beauty standards.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

Wow, I am so glad I'm not the parent of a teenage girl right now. At the same time, I wonder if perfect filters like this might actually result in people rejecting beauty standards like this. I mean, if everyone can easily look this good online, if people start to think that it's impossible to determine the veracity of anything that wasn't done face-to-face, maybe people will just start rejecting it. Kind of like how I never answer my phone anymore from numbers I don't know because there is a 95%+ chance it's spam/phishing/etc.

userbinator 4y ago
I wonder if perfect filters like this might actually result in people rejecting beauty standards like this. Maybe it's because I was used to an earlier era, in which photos actually had to be developed and were taken with something called film, but I suspect I'm not the only one who finds this sort of "beauty" very unnatural and even somewhat repulsive, almost uncanny-valley style. It's like they don't look like actual humans anymore, but more like androids pretending to be humans. In other words, this filter doesn't look "realistic" to me at all.
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- Semaphor 4y ago
  I found the videos earlier through a blogger. He called it a "barbie filter"
- kurthr 4y ago
  They've been Yassified. https://centennialbeauty.com/yassification-how-this-viral-twitter-meme-asserts-harmful-eurocentric-ideals-of-beauty/ https://centennialbeauty.com/yassification-how-this-viral-tw...
  - aembleton 4y ago
    That article feels like it was written by GPT-3. Just something about its writing style.
    - kurthr 4y ago
      Man doesn't everything generic... there's just a safe tone to HR correct writing that LLMs have? I think this is from a couple of years ago so probably not, but things are getting meta.
- 2-718-281-828 4y ago
  everytime i stumble on those tiktok clips with teenagers dancing awkwardly it seems to me more like humans pretending to be androids.

cma 4y ago

It won't be long until it is done in realtime in passthrough-AR headsets.

anigbrowl 4y ago
That's available now, for about $10-20 you can buy a set of 'beer goggles' and everyone around you becomes 5x better looking. Bonus, you become a fantastically interesting conversationalist whose plans always work out perfectly.
- reilly3000 4y ago
  Also they make you able to jump over parking meters in a single bound, ostensibly. Yes that happened. Yes it hurt just a tad worst than you can imagine it might.
- guessbest 4y ago
  You can't drive with the headset on and public transit is severely lacking.
barking_biscuit 4y ago
Beer Goggles

awb 4y ago

“Realistic” in the sense that it’s nearly impossible to see that a filter is being applied. But unrealistic in the sense that it makes significant changes to the user’s looks. Sad to watch the reveal reaction videos further down in the thread.

usefulcat 4y ago
> “Realistic” in the sense that it’s nearly impossible to see that a filter is being applied. After looking at several of the videos, you start to notice some similarities, at which point it becomes a lot more obvious. The vast majority of normal people just don't look like that, certainly not most of the time. So if you see someone with a perfect-looking face like in these videos, either they're a professional model or they've used a filter. Not hard to figure out which one of those possibilities is overwhelmingly more likely.. Still, even if you know all that it probably won't be enough to stop this stuff from messing with your brain if you look at it often enough.
- ars 4y ago
  > with a perfect-looking face Do people actually like how this looks? I can hardly stand to watch these videos. It's hard to explain - it's like I'm watching something disgusting. Like maybe uncanny valley? It's like I'm watching a dead doll talk.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    I think people who make themselves look that way with makeup are disgusting and unnatural too, regardless of whether they're using a video filter.
swatcoder 4y ago
They look stylistically realistic, but are indeed unnatural and easy to spot as fake. It's probably just that picking up on the clues depends on how attentive you are to what details in face. But "nearly impossible to see" is going to last all of a week, until the people who are currently blind to them start picking up on the tells. It's a good discussion though, because they're just going to keep improving.

Mistletoe 4y ago

The examples below her tweet just show it to be basically animation. No real semblance to the real faces. Reminds me of a lot of the fantasyland Snap has been propagating for a while now. More Roger Rabbit than filter. “If you want a picture of the future, imagine an airbrush stamping on a human face— forever.”

selcuka 4y ago
> No real semblance to the real faces. Just wait until v2.0 is released. This is just the beginning.

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pupppet 4y ago

On the plus side, maybe everyone will stop trusting photos on dating sites and instead concentrate on the bio...written by ChatGPT.

aaron695 4y ago

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beebmam 4y ago

I think it's fine. Filters aren't a new thing. It's a problem for kids, but children should be banned from social media for an enormous number of reasons. The problem with TikTok isn't the filters. It's the password/clipboard scraping, the enormous level of data collection on its users, combined with the fact that TikTok is ultimately a wing of the Chinese Communist Party.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
> I think it's fine. Filters aren't a new thing. The whole point though is that undetectable filters are a new thing. Like the first video said, you used to be able to know when someone was using a filter or not, and that's not really true anymore. Plus, as some of the other videos in that tweet thread say, it's not like these filters haven't fucked with people's heads already, e.g. the photographer who takes actual photos of people and then people look behind the camera and are shocked at how "ugly" they are because the filtered view is their baseline.
- incrudible 4y ago
  I do not buy into the moral panic angle. At least for women, the result is basically like putting on professional make up. It is not obvious that it is a filter, but it is obviously make up. It is quite possible for them to look like that in real life, if they put in the effort.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Eh. Instagram had filters years and years ago, so much that people developed #nofilter. Video is different but I don't think that it so fundamentally changes the situation.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

That account has a more interesting thread from a few days ago about how a teenage-ify filter took older tiktok by storm: https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1628758590033993728 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1628758590033993728

tayo42 4y ago

Seems like it is just works for some people. These dramatic videos get clicks. It made some odd and inhuman looking adjustments to my gf. Made her cheek bones look weird and mouth to wide. Not as good as I seen her with pro make up. Interestingly it didn't change anything about me, a male. Maybe I'm already beautiful? The teen one didn't look good for us either. Face was too smooth, didn't handle stubble on my face. Looked nothing like how I actually looked at 18. I don't think there's anything to worry about yet

mcphage 4y ago
> The teen one didn't look good for us either. Face was too smooth, didn't handle stubble on my face. Looked nothing like how I actually looked at 18. I tried the teen one, and had a similar result. I don't think it plays nicely with a full beard, but I definitely didn't see a younger version of myself on the screen.
- hnbear 4y ago
  I have a largish beard and my kids are always amused by how badly the filters work with the beard. It's like the edge detection for faces gets completely thrown off by it, so the filter just half removes it, leaving an aurora of beard outside my fake filtered face.

alanfranz 4y ago

My 2c: it’s the beginning of the end for some tech areas. Especially social networks. You chat with people online because you think, you know, that people exist on the other side. You spend time on instagram, tiktok, and so, to get a glimpse of real people (as opposed to TV where a lot is fiction/sfx). You trust photos because, barring dedicated, time-consuming and skill-intensive editing, they should represent reality. If that’s not true anymore, and everything is fiction, it’s probably time to get back to IRL experiences.

humanizersequel 4y ago
Or even more stringent verification will become the norm.
gpt5 4y ago
I wish that was true. I wish that were true. In practice, as virtual experiences become better and more realistic, I would expect people to spend more time in virtual environments, not less
- alanfranz 4y ago
  Just as videogames, though. Or do you think this fake reality will actually replace “real world interactions?”
jsemrau 4y ago
We are so close to this reality. I made this TikTok video through a workflow of Stable Diffusion (Python), DeepCQ/Finclout, ElevnLabs, and Di-D. And if I with my limited ability can reach this level, someone with more able hands (and budget) can reach much higher levels of reality. Social as we know it is dead. But then, if you look at TikTok it boils down to Boobs, Quizzes, and Twitter screenshots. (1) https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/7201663016839023873 https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/72016630168390... (2) https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/7200580894640311554 https://www.tiktok.com/@materialimpacts/video/72005808946403...
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xkcd-sucks 4y ago

Yeah yeah it's in TFA, but does "dropped" mean removed from, or released to, public distribution?

jnwatson 4y ago
This use of “dropped” started in the music industry. It means released.
- xeyownt 4y ago
  Very weird. I thought they were abandoning it.
  - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
    It's common lingo in a lot of communities (E.g. sneakers, fashion, music, gaming, etc), especially ones that skew younger.
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- WinnieRallycar 4y ago
  Funnily enough, saying a music label "dropped" an artist means the opposite.
  - ziml77 4y ago
    As far as the usages of "dropped" in music industry terminology goes, I think it's pretty clear which meaning is intended. But outside of that, when the direct object is not a person, it's often ambiguous enough that it would be better to either use a different word or at least change the phrasing to add additional clues to the meaning.

dougmwne 4y ago

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?

raydiatian 4y ago

We need to start training a culture of rejection of this kind of nonsense. Not at a Justice system level but at breakfast,lunch,dinner table level.

anigbrowl 4y ago

I didn't download the videos to test, but I had the impression it was changing the voice slightly as well, making it a little deeper and cleaning up a little of the ambient sound.

AbrahamParangi 4y ago

Buying your child a smartphone seems increasingly unwise as time goes on.

Moldoteck 4y ago
same could be said about many adults)
theshrike79 4y ago
It's a huge catch-22: You need a smartphone to take part in modern social life. (Yes, adults can choose life without a smartphone or any social media, in reality teenagers can't without being ostracised). On the other hand using smartphones and social media can also result in stress and comparing your ordinary life to other people's highlights.
- bmitc 4y ago
  What about a smartphone that is locked down? Apps are curated by parents and certain websites blocked. Also, there are tons of things that have ostracized teenagers in the last. Why do smartphones have such a stranglehold? It seems we are becoming more and more afraid of being different.
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    It's not "being different" not having a smartphone to keep in contact with your peers is akin to being homeschooled /w no hobbies. You basically have no social circle to speak of. Without a smartphone and access to the chat app of choice, you'll be left out of a good part of out-of-school socialisation. For example nobody gives out invites to birthdays on cards at class anymore, they do it via WhatsApp and you reply the same way.
    - bmitc 4y ago
      Yea, but access to chatting apps isn't necessarily the same as access to social media apps, except maybe Facebook's messaging. Having WhatsApp, text messaging, iMessage, Line, WeChat, etc. doesn't mean you need to install TikTok or Instagram.

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genericacct 4y ago

These are going to be the killer app for AR goggles..

jacooper 4y ago
Hate ugly people? Make everyone beautiful!

throwawayiemso 4y ago

I'm feeling very raw about all this. I feel I need to call all that comes this app what it is: an attack on our country via its young people. An attempt to turn the West's teenagers, especially women, into unserious and manipulable adults. In America, a non-immigrant teenager has little chance to graduate high school knowing the laws of electromagnetism, or other valuable scientific and engineering knowledge necessary for society to face its challenges. Instead, they have every chance to learn all sorts of modern inventions: genders, ever more contrived notions or identity, social justice shibboleths, etc.. The result is an American public that is profoundly unserious in its approach to the world. Factually, they rely of foreign migration to sustain their core functions: healthcare, etc... They don't solve their problems at home. When I see TikTok I see an act of hybrid warfare. I see foreign aggression against America, no different than if that power introduced a powerful synthetic opioid into the country. Flat-out aggression isn't acceptable, so they strike at us indirectly while maintaining plausible deniability. The advertising on TikTok is valuable, so many influential individuals in business will look the other way. Only a week ago the media were up in arms about the "revelation" that 30% of teenage girls now state they consider suicide, and a 36% increase in reported feelings of hopelessness since 2011. If politicians do not speak the truth in plain terms, truly I can only consider them traitors, and jointly responsible for the additional deaths that result. This aggression doesn't go unnoticed!

SteveDR 4y ago
Sir, this is a Wendy’s. What does tiktok have anything to do with your claim that stem education is being replaced by “social justice shibboleths”?
- throwawayiemso 4y ago
  Social justice fads are primarily distributed via social media. In particular, TikTok is notorious for promulgating it to K-12 age students. It displaces more meaningful media, educational and otherwise. To reiterate: the prosperity of the country depends on young people being educated in stem fields, whereas because of TikTok they are being socialized in a different way entirely.
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return_to_monke 4y ago

do people want this? why do people want this? this sounds very distopian.

aembleton 4y ago
Same reason people wear makeup - because they care about their appearance.

hypertele-Xii 4y ago

If "realistic beauty" equates to "waxy doll", then sure. To me it looks like a kilogram of botox and makeup. Wouldn't date that.

squeaky-clean 4y ago
But that's the issue, it looks like a kilogram of botox and makeup, not like a digital filter. Whatever you would date, a filter can do it in real-time without artifacts.

nitin87 4y ago

wooo

cute_boi 4y ago

Wow, lot of money is going to be save as people don't need to buy makeup for making videos :)

nitin87 4y ago

tiktok banned in india

DonHopkins 4y ago

An EPIC scene from "The Congress" (2014): A short but entirely mesmerizing drug come-down, reality dissolving scene from the film "The Congress" (2014) based on the 1971 novel "The Futurological Congress" by Stanisław Lem. All rights to the makers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMI8HWhqEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMI8HWhqEc The comments on this youtube video are actually spot on and excellent! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8314622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8314622 DonHopkins on Sept 14, 2014 | parent | context | favorite | on: The Future According to Stanisław Lem I just watched The Congress -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) -- and WOW, it was excellent. Quite different from the book The Futurological Conference that it's based on: for example, it had cockroaches playing poker instead of sewer rats playing bridge. ;) But well worth watching for its unique take on the entertainment dictatorship. If you liked Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Looker, and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, you won't be disappointed! Something weird happens in the middle of the film, that's all I'll say... >According to director Ari Folman, some elements of the film were inspired by the science fiction novel The Futurological Congress by Stanisław Lem in that similarly to Lem's Ijon Tichy, the actress is split between delusional and real mental states. Later, at the official website of the film, in an interview, Folman says that the idea to put Lem's work to film came to him during his film school. He describes how he reconsidered Lem's allegory of communist dictatorship into a more current setting, namely, the dictatorship in the entertainment business, and expresses his belief that he preserved the spirit of the book despite going far away from it. It took longer than its length of two hours to watch, because I had to stop and rewind to replay and and freeze frames frequently. (Check out what's going on in the fish tank while she's saying "I wish you could see me animated, it's pretty sick. It's like a genius designer on a bad acid trip. Oh my god, I don't know, I look like a combination between Cinderella on heroin and an Egyptian queen on a bad hair day".) I'm going to have to watch it many more times, because there were a lot of details to absorb -- time will tell if it's up there with Blade Runner as one of my favorite movies very loosely based on a great book. https://culture.pl/en/article/ari-folman-on-the-genius-of-stanislaw-lem https://culture.pl/en/article/ari-folman-on-the-genius-of-st... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15175516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15175516 DonHopkins on Sept 5, 2017 | parent | context | favorite | on: The sudden death and eternal life of Solaris I really loved the movie The Congress, directed by Ari Folman, an adaptation of The Futurological Congress. Like Blade Runner's relationship to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, it was a lot different than the book, but shares some deep ideas, and stands on its own as a great movie. The scene in the USC ICT's motion capture studio was riveting, with Robin Wright playing a partly fictionalized version of herself, and Harvey Keitel playing her agent, baring their souls to the giant emotion capturing machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30069100 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30069100 DonHopkins 8 months ago | parent | prev | next [–] Paul Debevec created the Light Stage to capture high dynamic range reflectance fields (including clean high resolution normal/bump/gloss/texture maps) of human faces. It uses hundreds polarized LED lights and cameras, plus lots of image processing, to separate the lighting effects of specular reflectance (glossy shine) from subsurface scattering (glowing skin), so you can reconstruct the 3D image and relight it under different conditions, environments, and viewing angles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Debevec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Debevec https://www.pauldebevec.com/ https://www.pauldebevec.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_stage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_stage "The Light Stage With Paul Debevec" - 360 Video (captured with JauntVR panoramic camera): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujwI4dimDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujwI4dimDA Digitizing Photorealistic Humans Inside USC's Light Stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QJT5CXl3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QJT5CXl3o Paul Debevec: Light Fields, Light Stages, and the Future of Virtual Production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAe2dUJxe3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAe2dUJxe3w A Light Stage was featured in the 2013 film "The Congress", which is a 2013 film adaptation of Stanislaw Lem's book, "The Futurological Congress", directed by Ari Folman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress I really love that movie and the book it was based on, which both raised some interesting issues: Like Blade Runner's relationship to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, it was a lot different than the book, but shares some deep ideas, and stands on its own as a great movie. The Congress Official Trailer (2014) Robin Wright, Jon Hamm HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws The scan scene in the Light Stage at USC ICT's motion capture studio was emotionally riveting and technically realistic, with Robin Wright playing a partially fictionalized version of herself, with Harvey Keitel playing her agent, baring her face and soul to the sparkling panoptic all encompassing emotion capturing machine. The Congress (2013) Scan Scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 [...]

muskmusk 4y ago

Not sure I understand the commotion. The same thing can be done in the real world with enough time and money. But somehow doing it digitally for free is a problem? If teenage girls don't know how to handle this then maybe we should teach them?

hectorlorenzo 4y ago

Next logical step is filter customization that you carry around and gets applied seamlessly to all videos you post on the platform. Next to that becomes filters that get applied based on consumer preferences: if you have indicated a certain preference for big brown eyes, TikTok might enlarge and darken them for all videos you watch. Argh.

jacooper 4y ago
Hey man! They are just optimizing for the user, nothing serious!/s

gnicholas 4y ago

AKA: This TikToker does not exist.

SteveDR 4y ago

Why are all the videos saying this is awful? I feel like I’m missing something… is the idea that people will learn that they’re not 10/10 attractive when they use this filter? I’m pretty sure most people are aware of this, and if they’re, it’s on them to reconsider their values things if that kind of thing has a big impact on their ego…

yieldcrv 4y ago
the women gender identity has a lot people that are susceptible to body dysphoria, we don't actually know why or the nature of this mental state or how much of it is cultural conditioning or a side effect of pure selection or anything else, we just try to accommodate the rest of us will never understand why countries felt the need to regulate post-processing in fashion magazines, or why filters have any affect at all but if its a social problem for a large population, which it is, then we have to react to that or at least acknowledge that it is.
- SteveDR 4y ago
  I didn’t know about the regulation of image processing, thanks. I agree with your main point, that we should address body dysphoria… I just think that this ubiquitous meme that “beauty filters make people more insecure overall” is wrong. The beautification achieved by these filters has been around for over 20 years. The difference is that today, that technology is accessible to everyone— any little girl can go to Snapchat and look like Kim Kardashian, and say “oh, this isn’t real.” Whereas 20 years ago celebrities would spend hours upon hours with cosmeticians, surgeons, make up artists, and digital FX artists sculpting their image, all to appear on the cover of a magazine saying “my new diet has worked wonders for my skin!” The playing field is more level than ever. And also, the technology isn’t going anywhere. So I think the best next move is to have conversations (especially with daughters) about taking pride in the parts of you that won’t be washed away by an AR filter.

petesergeant 4y ago

I love it, because it’ll very quickly teach people that these images aren’t real. Photoshoots of celebrities have been heavily edited since forever, but I think people don’t really realise that on a fundamental level because they see relatively few. One year of this and no teenager is going to believe any photo they see of a celeb or influencer is real, and will stop chasing it. Maybe. Anyway, I think my point is that we’re rapidly transitioning to a world where realistic photos and videos are no longer proof of anything, and the transition between before and after will be awkward, so the more it can be accelerated the better

wiseowise 4y ago

Most of the women in the twitter thread are beautiful regardless of filter. It only saves the time applying makeup for them.

rasz 4y ago
https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629928959268868103 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629928959268868103 >It's doing plastic surgery too, on cheek bones, jawline, nose. Also changes shape of eyes, eyebrows, lips, teeth. It even seems to be doing different things to different people. (You may not be able to see all this on this small selection, but Ive been through hundreds of videos)
blahblago 4y ago
What’s so beautiful about being fraudulent or insecure - pretty ugly if you ask me.

est 4y ago

https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629980803923865601 https://twitter.com/memotv/status/1629980803923865601 what, the filter even changed the tone of the hand slightly

blahblago 4y ago

Makeup, plastic surgery, hair implants, Bentleys, this filter, lying on your resume, etc. What’s the difference? People who are into it will be into it, and others will not care and just avoid. Isn’t this what the people want though, so why not give it to them in our capitalist society? I mean, you can’t even find one negative comment in YouTube anymore. So like, why look at people who don’t fit what we as a majority find statistically attractive? They do it with people in movies and TVs. Only basic and naive people care about this stuff…a filter is not going to do more damage to how they already think. Raise a kid to value knowledge, relationships and morals and they couldn’t care less about this. Let them swim freely in our garbage society of deception and greed and this is what you get. Meh

fatneckbeard 4y ago

dude what if HackerNews had a Graybeard filter so every reply i wrote sounded like i really really knew what i was talking about even if i didn't.

gnicholas 4y ago
There was a post a few days ago about a GPT that was trained on HN. It would be interesting if it could be tweaked so that highly-upvoted posts had more weight. That would allow you to create output that sounds like a smart HNer. I wonder what attributes such comments have in common?

st-keller 4y ago

Impressing tec! But i never liked make-up or understood why people pay plastic surgeons to ruin their perfectly nice and authentic faces. It kind of makes people artificial and way less interesting. So this is lost on me.

zahrc 4y ago

I wish she would’ve gone into more detail on why it’s bad, why it’s so frightening. I know the answer; but many don’t, and no one of the videos posted, gave any good insight on why this is scary. Call out the problem! Seems like most of the videos posted in that thread are just adding noise to the existing noise. (For clicks of course)

missingdays 4y ago
I wish you would've gone into more detail on why it's bad, why it's so frightening. Call out the problem!

f0ld 4y ago

How is this evil & bad? why was face makeup allowed in the first place? why is this suddenly evil huh? cause it's free? you can't sell oily makeup products anymore? or is OP behind this Ai trick and he just wants to promote his thesis by getting people angry? everyone is playing chess every single seconds these days I can't trust nothing.

TrackerFF 4y ago
I haven't tried this filter, but some of the older filters would alter the structure of the face. Makes the jaw a bit more defined, higher cheekbones, makes nose smaller, changes eyes, and the list goes on. And once people start using these beauty filters, it's hard to go back if you're somewhat insecure to start with. Unfortunately, many of these things can be done permanently via surgery. Do we want a whole generation of teenagers that dream of getting their face "fixed" ?

gnicholas 4y ago

The truly creepy thing is that the app is watching you as you observe your filtered self. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked the filters, or created new ones, based on A/B testing and watching the users' reactions.

poisonborz 4y ago

My 1.99 penny doom prediction: this is actually good, and will help destroy beauty standards in general. Beauty will not matter when it is easily achievable/buyable. People will look at any sort of body modding technics with disgust. Similar to how Instagram effects (like color overlay, bloom, burn-in) were first seen as nice but quickly everything had it, it took 2 taps, and looking back now it's incredibly tacky.

swah 4y ago
Yes, either that or this will make lip filling procedures sell 100x more.
- xtracto 4y ago
  Imagine the time when you get an app like that does this effect, and then tells you: it will cost you $2500 to have the required procedures to permanently look like this in real life. Referring you to your closest plastic surgeon. The future will be crazy.
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kertoip_1 4y ago
Or people will get used to seeing make-up so much, that having it would be even more essential in IRL interactions
- BizarroLand 4y ago
  Given that we have a psychological vulnerability to supernormalization, I fear that it will cause even the most naturally beautiful people in our society to feel ugly and unlovable for even their smallest imperfections and alter our beauty standards to the point where supermodels in real life are considered merely the "girl next door". Of course, we could have a global awakening and see through the lies the industry is pushing on us and reject this trend entirely, but I fear the former is more likely than the latter.

bmitc 4y ago

Humans have fought for years over different colored bananas. Now we're creating virtual bananas to gawk at, be jealous of, and envy. Humans have nearly zero capacity to emotionally deal with the technology we create.

sourcecodeplz 4y ago

Eh so what. We have facial hair and hair gel to play with. Women have makeup. Let them be.

yowzadave 4y ago

I wonder when this technology will be good/flexible enough to use in filmmaking, where it seems like it could replace a chunk of work currently done by makeup/VFX, and give real-time results. There’s an old Asimov short story, Gold, which describes a future of filmmaking that seems more similar to this than the way movies are currently made: everything is animated/CGI, but in real-time—the animators are performers as well who deliver their performance while the director offers feedback.

favaq 4y ago
Similar technologies were extensively used in The Irishman (2019) to make the actors look younger and older.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago

Does Instagram offer a similar filter? If not, can we conclude that China is somewhat ahead in the AI game?

thdespou 4y ago

This thing just made women craaazy.

WelcomeShorty 4y ago

I wrote a story 20 years ago about two beautiful people who made a child that looked like shit. They then found out both of them had multiple plastic surgeries but still ugly genes. Guess we're there online now too.