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And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, i

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone with a small form factor.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
you want a watch (wrist or pocket)
- hedora 4y ago
  Does a standalone cellular watch exist (as a daily driver for everything you’d expect in that form factor)?
  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    I absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS? I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive iPhone. Watches cover pretty much every use case I have with a phone.
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?
      - paulmd 4y ago
        You need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.
        varenc 4y ago
        Can the Apple watch last all day if it’s using cellular for data and doesn’t have wifi or a phone to piggyback from?
        steve_adams_86 4y ago
        The Apple Watch Ultra can quite easily (I listen to podcasts, make phone calls, respond to messages, monitor sleep, and always make it through a day and end up charging the next evening), but it's extremely expensive for something that isn't properly standalone. The other watches seem to come close, but should be topped up pretty much daily (with my level of usage) from what I understand.
        steve_adams_86 4y ago
        > I don't think anything forces you to keep it after Many watchOS apps and features require an iPhone in order to be set up. For example: Oceanic+, Waterlamma, Overcast, various Apple Health features, or Sleep Cycle. That's a pretty wide variety from my own experience so I suspect it's quite common. Until that stops being a thing, we'll need iOS to maintain our watches. In some cases it sort of makes sense because you're using apps that function sort of like a sidecar to iOS apps, not a standalone app. There are several where this isn't the case at all though, and it feels a lot like unnecessary tethering which limits our ability to use an otherwise very capable device on its own. I think we'll get there; other manufacturers won't have the same incentive to keep watch apps tethered to phones, and I suspect that freedom will become increasingly appealing to Apple Watch users. I could be wrong, but I imagine eventually that limitation will seem too ridiculous to consumers. I don't expect to happen for quite a while still, though.
      - kungito 4y ago
        The battery life is horrible if you try to use it a bit more often like you would a phone
      - steve_adams_86 4y ago
        Unfortunately several apps and features (both Apple and 3rd party) require the phone for set up and configuration.
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  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    i'm pretty sure the apple watch is standalone as of some years back but i'm not certain
    - varenc 4y ago
      You still need a iphone for setup. It’s a hard requirement. But they did semi-recently create a flow where one phone could setup a watch for someone else like you're in a "Family Sharing" group with: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768
  - 999900000999 4y ago
    You have full Android phones in a watch, but it's much closer to an emergency backup phone than something you want to use daily. I keep mine in Sports mode, which is basically just a smart watch , most of the time
foobarbecue 4y ago
Loving my Unihertz Atom (for a particular sports application). https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom if you haven't tried one. I agree that it would be great if Nokia did this product but in a reasonable size.
- komali2 4y ago
  I've been running unihertz jelly 2 for ages and it's phenomenal. The only two annoyances I have are no 5g (I'm always tethering my laptop) and that google maps scooter mode just isn't available on this phone and there's basically no solution to get it working (and I'm hard pressed to figure out whose fault that is - google for failing to recognize the device location? Unihertz for failing to indicate my location correctly?)
  - officeplant 4y ago
    Any idea if these work fine with android auto? First I'm hearing of this company and the Jelly 2E for $159 is kind of awesome.
    - komali2 4y ago
      I wouldn't recommend 2E as the jelly is already a very low power phone that struggles with Slack for example lol. No idea if they work with Android Auto but isn't android auto some kind of mapping plus music UI? The screen is quite small, I don't use it mounted on motorcycle when I ride for that reason.
      - officeplant 4y ago
        Ah no android auto uses my car's display in this case. I found reports that it works but lags on the 2E, but works fine on the older more powerful 2.
  - raffraffraff 4y ago
    I have one that I use as an mp3 player. My main gripe is the awful battery life.
prmoustache 4y ago
My samsung galaxy a<something> as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks. I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.
- grujicd 4y ago
  A<something> is probably A52 or A72. These are the models from 2 years ago. A53/A73 from last year don't have headphone jack. And that's industry wide trend.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    I checked we have A12s and A21s. I looked at what is available right now in the A range and the A13 which probably replace the A12 still has an headphone jack.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  The A range is the middle range for Samsung, and the latest ones A33 and A53 no longer have them.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    See reply above
999900000999 4y ago
Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.
- foepys 4y ago
  I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend. I would have really liked to buy their phone...
  - nehal3m 4y ago
    I have a FairPhone 4 with a card slot? No jack though.
    - foepys 4y ago
      It does? Maybe I misread the specs a few months ago, sorry. But as you said it doesn't have a jack.
      - Schroedingersat 4y ago
        No Jack is annoying, but usb dongle is tolerable and replaceable usb slot offsets the biggest downside.
  - astrange 4y ago
    Are phone SD cards encrypted? Because they're not fast or reliable, so one would at least hope they're secure.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Yes, if you want them to be, by default not.
graderjs 4y ago
Agree! There should be a couple of different form factors? I got an iPhone 13 mini specifically because I hate the giant phones. My hands aren't small or weak (I do chinups and push ups, practically have to as maintenance to prevent nerve pain, muscle pain, low circulation with all the typing I do), but why do I need to ruin my finger nerves and muscles and wrist carrying and using a GigantoPhone. I find phone use to be way worse for my biomechanical finger-hand-wrist health than typing on a HHKB. But also...I think this would be hilarious (in a good way) if this (thankfully anachronistic throwback) repairability really took off and in the next 3 years Apple releases a budget / or premium( prolly premium? knowing Apple hehe ) set of products like a framework style repairable moddable laptop, and a "wePhone" that you can swap parts and mod. Truly I think there's a cool cyberfunk future in there somewhere. TikTokking teens showing off their latest phone mods, builds and hacks (and holoscreens). I mean they already "discovered" the flip phone and went mad. I think this is waiting to happen :) ;p
- grujicd 4y ago
  I don't know about iPhone, but Android has navigation gestures where you sweep from edge for back, from bottm for home and few more. I started to get thumb pain from light of small phone (S10e), and pain went away after switching to these gestures. Yes, these gestures have slight issues in some cases but you can't argue with RSI. Took a day or two to get used to. I assume pain came from scretching thumb too much for reaching controls on the bottom. So give it a chance if your phone supports something like that.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Even the 12/13 mini is bigger than the iPhone 5, which was considered the biggest phone a regular person could use comfortably with one hand.
  - graderjs 4y ago
    Yeah! I had a 5S. I loved that little guy. Another reason I got the mini for the angles like the 5S. How much bigger is it? 13 is okay. But I should make it go back to 5S size
toastal 4y ago
Headphone jack and OLED display are my only two musts on a new smart phone. Wireless earbuds are scam solution by the problem created by removing the jack. But I really can't go back to IPS on any display in my life where the experience and color matter.
- grujicd 4y ago
  I hate removal of 3.5mm port same as you, but wireless earbuds are not a scam per se. I have some Sony buds which have great sound and there's no more a minute of untangling cable whenever I take them from the bag. However, that's not the reason to not have headphone jack since it has other uses and can perfectly coexist with bluetooth devices.
  - toastal 4y ago
    I bought the XM3s to try out a while back when my old laptop lacked a jack and offerings for a good OLED are slim in my country, but these headphones just don't sound very good--especially for the price. My IEM cables are thick and don't tangle. I would take untangling 100% over dealing with batteries. I thought ANC would be better than it was, but the passive noise canceling is just as good in real world use--just eliminating low-frequency sounds isn't too useful when you can hear the crying baby either way.
- astrange 4y ago
  Wired earbuds are obnoxious for phone use cases because the cables get tangled up and cause telephonics - that's when walking/running/touching the cable causes it to send unintended sound into your ears. For desktop use cases they have the problem that you have to take them off to get up.
  - Eji1700 4y ago
    Oddly covid made me finally just give up and get wireless headphones, simply because i'd go to take off the mask and catch my headphones. Well that and the struggle of finding half decent headphones that fit my needs (decent enough they wouldn't die in a year, but not so expensive i'm going to regret it if they get damaged or lost). I still hate that I now have headphones that can die, but it is nice to be able to walk around listening to whatever without having to carry my phone on me while I cook/clean/whatever. Not what i paid for them nice....but it's something.
arran-nz 4y ago
Checkout the Asus Zenfone 8, it's smaller, has 3mm jack, and supports LineageOS.
- ocimbote 4y ago
  It's +600€. I'd rather buy 4 of the Nokia and live with the unwanted big screen rather than having the "right" form factor for 4x the price. That's not even a compromise here.
  - Zetobal 4y ago
    It won't be lagging and force closing apps because of low ram though.
Eji1700 4y ago
I jumped from apple because at the time, all they had were $1000 giant phones. I jumped back because they released the SE, and my current motorolla was having quite a lot of issues, and I couldn't find anything smaller. I still have it, and don't plan on buying anything new until I can either 1. get an iphone mini with a usb C jack or 2. find a competitor that's similar sized. I'm so so sick of these massive phones.
- girvo 4y ago
  I will give up my iPhone 13 Mini when it’s no longer possible to repair it. It’s a near perfect phone for me for similar reasons. Big phones suck.
- scarface74 4y ago
  There has never been a time that all Apple had was $1000 giant phones.
sekai 4y ago
Pixel 5 is the best value small factor Android phone at the moment.
noisy_boy 4y ago
They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen
- wartijn_ 4y ago
  There is a huge gab between high and low and devices. Some manufacturers will want to sell - and many consumers will buy- a few models that are more expensive than $150 but less than $1000.
  - gbear605 4y ago
    Maybe I’m missing the hyperbole, but almost all iPhones and Google Pixels fit into that gap. The base iPhone 14 is $799, the iPhone SE is $429, and there are older model iPhones in between. Even the base iPhone 14 Pro is $999, technically in the range. A Pixel 7 is $599, a Pixel 7 Pro is $899, and a Pixel 6a is $449. There’s perhaps a gap in the $150-$400 range, but used phones can definitely be found there, and I would bet that there are Android manufacturers that sell new phones there. (All prices are USA and before tax, so other markets will be a bit more expensive.)
    - Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
      I don't know if the US market is very different, but in Spain I'd say like 80% of the phones people buy fit into that gap... Below $150 you only have the cheapest models by brands like Xiaomi, and over $1000 you only have the flagships. There are plenty of models in the middle, not only Pixels but also a plethora of offerings from Oppo, Samsung, Xiaomi, Vivo, Honor, Poco, etc. Name any [X,X+100] interval in that range and there are phones of that price. Last week I went with my mother to buy one for her, she settled for the Oppo Reno 8 (about $500) but there was the Lite version at about $100 less, the Pro version at about $100 more, and then other lineups from the same brand (Find X5 in Lite/normal/Pro versions, etc., and many, many others we didn't even look at); and that's within a single brand. So your parent comment doesn't make much sense to me even if it's hyperbolic. Maybe the available offer is really different in the US, here there are definitely plenty of models of all prices. A different story is that all brands tend to make the same decisions and follow trends (e.g. ditch the headphone jack, make screens larger, etc.) so everything is sameish and even if there are hundreds of models to choose from, it's possible to not find a model that fits one's needs. I myself imported my phone (Pixel 6 Pro) from Australia because no brands other than Apple or Samsung seem to sell 512 GB storage models here...
pjmlp 4y ago
Nokia phones have always kept them, and FM radios as well in some models.
crispinb 4y ago
So very much agree. I just want a pocketable, repairable, physically robust generic phone that does all the basic things at modest cost. The only circumstance under which I'd consider the price tag of a 'premium' phone (notice how corporations have trained everyone into this risible use of language?) is if it ran a real OS and could be used as a primary computing device. But until we reach that Schlarrafenland I would like a smaller version of this Nokia.
- sourcecodeplz 4y ago
  Check out Samsung Dex
  - crispinb 4y ago
    It's a very pleasingly bold product given the dull conservatism of the phone/pc scene, but Android wouldn't work for me as a primary OS.
cassepipe 4y ago
You can get a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 for under 99$: https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d4163731-7cbf-4d52-8efa-fbf0ed7f2c82# https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d416373... And it will under guaranty for at least six months. The website guarantees a at least 70% of the orginal capable batteryu That's what I have. Has a jack, a physical home button and back button, a microSD slot. Don't know your expectations but the camera is better than the expensive camera I bought in 2005. I am not ashamed of sending photos to any of my friend. Performance is fine. (Usage: I text, use Google Maps, YouTube and I browse without an issue)
- dajonker 4y ago
  If those are the only apps you use, you might be fine for a while but lots of apps won't support old Android versions which could be problematic if you depend on such apps, e.g. for banking or signing into government services.
  - cassepipe 4y ago
    Nah I use for banking too. I use a bunch of apps and I am yet to find any that doesn't work.
- vanilla_nut 4y ago
  Similarly, I recently picked up a Sony XZ1 Compact for cheap. It's a brilliantly sized phone with an SD card slot, fingerprint reader, and headphone jack. Turns out flagship processors from 2017 still work just fine, especially when you have ad blockers to keep the nastiest globs of JS from trashing your CPU and battery. It's a fair bit bigger than my old 2016 iPhone SE, but it's actually smaller than the iPhone Mini.
- scarface74 4y ago
  A used phone with 70% battery capacity and it only supports an Android version 5 years old from what I can tell. The same generation iPhone - the 6S just got a security update a couple of weeks ago.
- Valakas_ 4y ago
asimops 4y ago
Have a look here: https://smallandroidphone.com/ https://smallandroidphone.com/
hot_gril 4y ago
Headphone jack isn't even a niche. Every phone should have it, and they did, and would still had phonemakers not realized they can make a lot more money selling wireless earbuds. The flagship smartphone market is in a state of reduced competition and vertical integration, and if that ever ends, the jack will come back.
- jonwinstanley 4y ago
  Not sure about everyone else but personally I don't want a headphone jack. I prefer the slimmer phone and increased battery that is only possible once it is removed. Related - I'm a huge fan of Airpods and only ever want to use my wired headphones with my laptop
  - kuschku 4y ago
    The iPod Shuffle had a headphone jack. If Apple could do it 15 years ago, they can do it now.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    I don't know which uses more power, wired or wireless headphones. If the wireless ones use more, idk if the additional volume gained by removing the jack makes up for that, and if so by how much. All I know is when I want to pass the aux to a newer iPhone, I need a stupid dongle now, which funny enough doesn't work with the old one. And either phone's battery will last all day regardless.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
There's a bizarre niche of 'secondary' phones that use esim that might suit you.
dangus 4y ago
If you would trade basically anything for a smaller form factor (including the 3mm headphone jack), you'd just own an iPhone 13 mini by now. I was on your same boat until I actually owned an iPhone 12 mini. In reality, it sacrificed usability and battery life to achieve that small form factor. I had to bail on the phone because it was physically straining my eyes. Our phones are basically pocket computers. That's why the screens are big. They're used for everything. Here's the other thing about the 3mm headphone jack on phones: it's irrelevant to anyone with enough disposable income to afford wireless headphones. I personally own the second generation AirPods Pro, and to be honest they're completely mind-blowing compared to what we thought was possible on a technical level just 5-10 years ago. Yes, I spent a lot of money on them. Yes, they are perhaps a disposable item considering how difficult/impossible it is to replace their tiny little batteries. But would I go back to using wired headphones and getting them caught in a bunch of shit? No, not ever. No amount of dollar savings or latency shavings could convince me. I still use wired headphones on my desktop computer, but that makes a lot more sense in that context. I'm not taking wires onto the train or the bus or the airplane ever again. The reason budget phones like Nokias have headphone jacks and sometimes even microSD slots is because their customers will not pay for upgraded internal storage or expensive wireless headphones. On the other side of the market, companies like Samsung and Apple can upsell a lot of their flagship phone customers and give them a nudge by removing that port. It's the same reason why you don't see a number of options packages on a Toyota that you can get on a Lexus that's based on the same vehicle. Is the removal of the headphone jack a shady tactic? Maybe it is. On the other hand, maybe it's just an obsolete port for that market segment. If I am using an expensive gaming PC, do I need my graphics card to output to VGA or DVI? Of course not. But I might need that if I'm buying a PC to hook up to a 15 year old monitor in a school computer lab.

wahnfrieden 4y ago

you want a watch (wrist or pocket)

hedora 4y ago
Does a standalone cellular watch exist (as a daily driver for everything you’d expect in that form factor)?
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  I absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS? I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive iPhone. Watches cover pretty much every use case I have with a phone.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?
    - paulmd 4y ago
      You need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.
      - varenc 4y ago
        Can the Apple watch last all day if it’s using cellular for data and doesn’t have wifi or a phone to piggyback from?
        steve_adams_86 4y ago
        The Apple Watch Ultra can quite easily (I listen to podcasts, make phone calls, respond to messages, monitor sleep, and always make it through a day and end up charging the next evening), but it's extremely expensive for something that isn't properly standalone. The other watches seem to come close, but should be topped up pretty much daily (with my level of usage) from what I understand.
      - steve_adams_86 4y ago
        > I don't think anything forces you to keep it after Many watchOS apps and features require an iPhone in order to be set up. For example: Oceanic+, Waterlamma, Overcast, various Apple Health features, or Sleep Cycle. That's a pretty wide variety from my own experience so I suspect it's quite common. Until that stops being a thing, we'll need iOS to maintain our watches. In some cases it sort of makes sense because you're using apps that function sort of like a sidecar to iOS apps, not a standalone app. There are several where this isn't the case at all though, and it feels a lot like unnecessary tethering which limits our ability to use an otherwise very capable device on its own. I think we'll get there; other manufacturers won't have the same incentive to keep watch apps tethered to phones, and I suspect that freedom will become increasingly appealing to Apple Watch users. I could be wrong, but I imagine eventually that limitation will seem too ridiculous to consumers. I don't expect to happen for quite a while still, though.
    - kungito 4y ago
      The battery life is horrible if you try to use it a bit more often like you would a phone
    - steve_adams_86 4y ago
      Unfortunately several apps and features (both Apple and 3rd party) require the phone for set up and configuration.
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- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  i'm pretty sure the apple watch is standalone as of some years back but i'm not certain
  - varenc 4y ago
    You still need a iphone for setup. It’s a hard requirement. But they did semi-recently create a flow where one phone could setup a watch for someone else like you're in a "Family Sharing" group with: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768
- 999900000999 4y ago
  You have full Android phones in a watch, but it's much closer to an emergency backup phone than something you want to use daily. I keep mine in Sports mode, which is basically just a smart watch , most of the time

foobarbecue 4y ago

Loving my Unihertz Atom (for a particular sports application). https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom if you haven't tried one. I agree that it would be great if Nokia did this product but in a reasonable size.

komali2 4y ago
I've been running unihertz jelly 2 for ages and it's phenomenal. The only two annoyances I have are no 5g (I'm always tethering my laptop) and that google maps scooter mode just isn't available on this phone and there's basically no solution to get it working (and I'm hard pressed to figure out whose fault that is - google for failing to recognize the device location? Unihertz for failing to indicate my location correctly?)
- officeplant 4y ago
  Any idea if these work fine with android auto? First I'm hearing of this company and the Jelly 2E for $159 is kind of awesome.
  - komali2 4y ago
    I wouldn't recommend 2E as the jelly is already a very low power phone that struggles with Slack for example lol. No idea if they work with Android Auto but isn't android auto some kind of mapping plus music UI? The screen is quite small, I don't use it mounted on motorcycle when I ride for that reason.
    - officeplant 4y ago
      Ah no android auto uses my car's display in this case. I found reports that it works but lags on the 2E, but works fine on the older more powerful 2.
- raffraffraff 4y ago
  I have one that I use as an mp3 player. My main gripe is the awful battery life.

prmoustache 4y ago

My samsung galaxy a<something> as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks. I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.

grujicd 4y ago
A<something> is probably A52 or A72. These are the models from 2 years ago. A53/A73 from last year don't have headphone jack. And that's industry wide trend.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  I checked we have A12s and A21s. I looked at what is available right now in the A range and the A13 which probably replace the A12 still has an headphone jack.
pjmlp 4y ago
The A range is the middle range for Samsung, and the latest ones A33 and A53 no longer have them.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  See reply above

999900000999 4y ago

Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

foepys 4y ago
I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons: - no headphone jack - no SD card slot - all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria) Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card? It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend. I would have really liked to buy their phone...
- nehal3m 4y ago
  I have a FairPhone 4 with a card slot? No jack though.
  - foepys 4y ago
    It does? Maybe I misread the specs a few months ago, sorry. But as you said it doesn't have a jack.
    - Schroedingersat 4y ago
      No Jack is annoying, but usb dongle is tolerable and replaceable usb slot offsets the biggest downside.
- astrange 4y ago
  Are phone SD cards encrypted? Because they're not fast or reliable, so one would at least hope they're secure.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Yes, if you want them to be, by default not.

graderjs 4y ago

Agree! There should be a couple of different form factors? I got an iPhone 13 mini specifically because I hate the giant phones. My hands aren't small or weak (I do chinups and push ups, practically have to as maintenance to prevent nerve pain, muscle pain, low circulation with all the typing I do), but why do I need to ruin my finger nerves and muscles and wrist carrying and using a GigantoPhone. I find phone use to be way worse for my biomechanical finger-hand-wrist health than typing on a HHKB. But also...I think this would be hilarious (in a good way) if this (thankfully anachronistic throwback) repairability really took off and in the next 3 years Apple releases a budget / or premium( prolly premium? knowing Apple hehe ) set of products like a framework style repairable moddable laptop, and a "wePhone" that you can swap parts and mod. Truly I think there's a cool cyberfunk future in there somewhere. TikTokking teens showing off their latest phone mods, builds and hacks (and holoscreens). I mean they already "discovered" the flip phone and went mad. I think this is waiting to happen :) ;p

grujicd 4y ago
I don't know about iPhone, but Android has navigation gestures where you sweep from edge for back, from bottm for home and few more. I started to get thumb pain from light of small phone (S10e), and pain went away after switching to these gestures. Yes, these gestures have slight issues in some cases but you can't argue with RSI. Took a day or two to get used to. I assume pain came from scretching thumb too much for reaching controls on the bottom. So give it a chance if your phone supports something like that.
hot_gril 4y ago
Even the 12/13 mini is bigger than the iPhone 5, which was considered the biggest phone a regular person could use comfortably with one hand.
- graderjs 4y ago
  Yeah! I had a 5S. I loved that little guy. Another reason I got the mini for the angles like the 5S. How much bigger is it? 13 is okay. But I should make it go back to 5S size

toastal 4y ago

Headphone jack and OLED display are my only two musts on a new smart phone. Wireless earbuds are scam solution by the problem created by removing the jack. But I really can't go back to IPS on any display in my life where the experience and color matter.

grujicd 4y ago
I hate removal of 3.5mm port same as you, but wireless earbuds are not a scam per se. I have some Sony buds which have great sound and there's no more a minute of untangling cable whenever I take them from the bag. However, that's not the reason to not have headphone jack since it has other uses and can perfectly coexist with bluetooth devices.
- toastal 4y ago
  I bought the XM3s to try out a while back when my old laptop lacked a jack and offerings for a good OLED are slim in my country, but these headphones just don't sound very good--especially for the price. My IEM cables are thick and don't tangle. I would take untangling 100% over dealing with batteries. I thought ANC would be better than it was, but the passive noise canceling is just as good in real world use--just eliminating low-frequency sounds isn't too useful when you can hear the crying baby either way.
astrange 4y ago
Wired earbuds are obnoxious for phone use cases because the cables get tangled up and cause telephonics - that's when walking/running/touching the cable causes it to send unintended sound into your ears. For desktop use cases they have the problem that you have to take them off to get up.
- Eji1700 4y ago
  Oddly covid made me finally just give up and get wireless headphones, simply because i'd go to take off the mask and catch my headphones. Well that and the struggle of finding half decent headphones that fit my needs (decent enough they wouldn't die in a year, but not so expensive i'm going to regret it if they get damaged or lost). I still hate that I now have headphones that can die, but it is nice to be able to walk around listening to whatever without having to carry my phone on me while I cook/clean/whatever. Not what i paid for them nice....but it's something.

arran-nz 4y ago

Checkout the Asus Zenfone 8, it's smaller, has 3mm jack, and supports LineageOS.

ocimbote 4y ago
It's +600€. I'd rather buy 4 of the Nokia and live with the unwanted big screen rather than having the "right" form factor for 4x the price. That's not even a compromise here.
- Zetobal 4y ago
  It won't be lagging and force closing apps because of low ram though.

Eji1700 4y ago

I jumped from apple because at the time, all they had were $1000 giant phones. I jumped back because they released the SE, and my current motorolla was having quite a lot of issues, and I couldn't find anything smaller. I still have it, and don't plan on buying anything new until I can either 1. get an iphone mini with a usb C jack or 2. find a competitor that's similar sized. I'm so so sick of these massive phones.

girvo 4y ago
I will give up my iPhone 13 Mini when it’s no longer possible to repair it. It’s a near perfect phone for me for similar reasons. Big phones suck.
scarface74 4y ago
There has never been a time that all Apple had was $1000 giant phones.

sekai 4y ago

Pixel 5 is the best value small factor Android phone at the moment.

noisy_boy 4y ago

They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen

wartijn_ 4y ago
There is a huge gab between high and low and devices. Some manufacturers will want to sell - and many consumers will buy- a few models that are more expensive than $150 but less than $1000.
- gbear605 4y ago
  Maybe I’m missing the hyperbole, but almost all iPhones and Google Pixels fit into that gap. The base iPhone 14 is $799, the iPhone SE is $429, and there are older model iPhones in between. Even the base iPhone 14 Pro is $999, technically in the range. A Pixel 7 is $599, a Pixel 7 Pro is $899, and a Pixel 6a is $449. There’s perhaps a gap in the $150-$400 range, but used phones can definitely be found there, and I would bet that there are Android manufacturers that sell new phones there. (All prices are USA and before tax, so other markets will be a bit more expensive.)
  - Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
    I don't know if the US market is very different, but in Spain I'd say like 80% of the phones people buy fit into that gap... Below $150 you only have the cheapest models by brands like Xiaomi, and over $1000 you only have the flagships. There are plenty of models in the middle, not only Pixels but also a plethora of offerings from Oppo, Samsung, Xiaomi, Vivo, Honor, Poco, etc. Name any [X,X+100] interval in that range and there are phones of that price. Last week I went with my mother to buy one for her, she settled for the Oppo Reno 8 (about $500) but there was the Lite version at about $100 less, the Pro version at about $100 more, and then other lineups from the same brand (Find X5 in Lite/normal/Pro versions, etc., and many, many others we didn't even look at); and that's within a single brand. So your parent comment doesn't make much sense to me even if it's hyperbolic. Maybe the available offer is really different in the US, here there are definitely plenty of models of all prices. A different story is that all brands tend to make the same decisions and follow trends (e.g. ditch the headphone jack, make screens larger, etc.) so everything is sameish and even if there are hundreds of models to choose from, it's possible to not find a model that fits one's needs. I myself imported my phone (Pixel 6 Pro) from Australia because no brands other than Apple or Samsung seem to sell 512 GB storage models here...

pjmlp 4y ago

Nokia phones have always kept them, and FM radios as well in some models.

crispinb 4y ago

So very much agree. I just want a pocketable, repairable, physically robust generic phone that does all the basic things at modest cost. The only circumstance under which I'd consider the price tag of a 'premium' phone (notice how corporations have trained everyone into this risible use of language?) is if it ran a real OS and could be used as a primary computing device. But until we reach that Schlarrafenland I would like a smaller version of this Nokia.

sourcecodeplz 4y ago
Check out Samsung Dex
- crispinb 4y ago
  It's a very pleasingly bold product given the dull conservatism of the phone/pc scene, but Android wouldn't work for me as a primary OS.

cassepipe 4y ago

You can get a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 for under 99$: https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d4163731-7cbf-4d52-8efa-fbf0ed7f2c82# https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d416373... And it will under guaranty for at least six months. The website guarantees a at least 70% of the orginal capable batteryu That's what I have. Has a jack, a physical home button and back button, a microSD slot. Don't know your expectations but the camera is better than the expensive camera I bought in 2005. I am not ashamed of sending photos to any of my friend. Performance is fine. (Usage: I text, use Google Maps, YouTube and I browse without an issue)

dajonker 4y ago
If those are the only apps you use, you might be fine for a while but lots of apps won't support old Android versions which could be problematic if you depend on such apps, e.g. for banking or signing into government services.
- cassepipe 4y ago
  Nah I use for banking too. I use a bunch of apps and I am yet to find any that doesn't work.
vanilla_nut 4y ago
Similarly, I recently picked up a Sony XZ1 Compact for cheap. It's a brilliantly sized phone with an SD card slot, fingerprint reader, and headphone jack. Turns out flagship processors from 2017 still work just fine, especially when you have ad blockers to keep the nastiest globs of JS from trashing your CPU and battery. It's a fair bit bigger than my old 2016 iPhone SE, but it's actually smaller than the iPhone Mini.
scarface74 4y ago
A used phone with 70% battery capacity and it only supports an Android version 5 years old from what I can tell. The same generation iPhone - the 6S just got a security update a couple of weeks ago.
Valakas_ 4y ago

asimops 4y ago

Have a look here: https://smallandroidphone.com/ https://smallandroidphone.com/

hot_gril 4y ago

Headphone jack isn't even a niche. Every phone should have it, and they did, and would still had phonemakers not realized they can make a lot more money selling wireless earbuds. The flagship smartphone market is in a state of reduced competition and vertical integration, and if that ever ends, the jack will come back.

jonwinstanley 4y ago
Not sure about everyone else but personally I don't want a headphone jack. I prefer the slimmer phone and increased battery that is only possible once it is removed. Related - I'm a huge fan of Airpods and only ever want to use my wired headphones with my laptop
- kuschku 4y ago
  The iPod Shuffle had a headphone jack. If Apple could do it 15 years ago, they can do it now.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  I don't know which uses more power, wired or wireless headphones. If the wireless ones use more, idk if the additional volume gained by removing the jack makes up for that, and if so by how much. All I know is when I want to pass the aux to a newer iPhone, I need a stupid dongle now, which funny enough doesn't work with the old one. And either phone's battery will last all day regardless.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

There's a bizarre niche of 'secondary' phones that use esim that might suit you.

dangus 4y ago

If you would trade basically anything for a smaller form factor (including the 3mm headphone jack), you'd just own an iPhone 13 mini by now. I was on your same boat until I actually owned an iPhone 12 mini. In reality, it sacrificed usability and battery life to achieve that small form factor. I had to bail on the phone because it was physically straining my eyes. Our phones are basically pocket computers. That's why the screens are big. They're used for everything. Here's the other thing about the 3mm headphone jack on phones: it's irrelevant to anyone with enough disposable income to afford wireless headphones. I personally own the second generation AirPods Pro, and to be honest they're completely mind-blowing compared to what we thought was possible on a technical level just 5-10 years ago. Yes, I spent a lot of money on them. Yes, they are perhaps a disposable item considering how difficult/impossible it is to replace their tiny little batteries. But would I go back to using wired headphones and getting them caught in a bunch of shit? No, not ever. No amount of dollar savings or latency shavings could convince me. I still use wired headphones on my desktop computer, but that makes a lot more sense in that context. I'm not taking wires onto the train or the bus or the airplane ever again. The reason budget phones like Nokias have headphone jacks and sometimes even microSD slots is because their customers will not pay for upgraded internal storage or expensive wireless headphones. On the other side of the market, companies like Samsung and Apple can upsell a lot of their flagship phone customers and give them a nudge by removing that port. It's the same reason why you don't see a number of options packages on a Toyota that you can get on a Lexus that's based on the same vehicle. Is the removal of the headphone jack a shady tactic? Maybe it is. On the other hand, maybe it's just an obsolete port for that market segment. If I am using an expensive gaming PC, do I need my graphics card to output to VGA or DVI? Of course not. But I might need that if I'm buying a PC to hook up to a 15 year old monitor in a school computer lab.