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@Raed667 ' alt-right dog whistle' ,'rant' ,'spewing unhinged racism'. Not hearing it, could you explain how and why you feel this? Cancelling a cartoonist beca

@Raed667 ' alt-right dog whistle' ,'rant' ,'spewing unhinged racism'. Not hearing it, could you explain how and why you feel this? Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. Racialization of everything has caused tremendous polarization, which combined with an epic level of drug fueled crime (some of it very violent) has made people of all types very paranoid. Very unhealthy and fueled to a large extent by well meaning 'compassionate' suburbanites who have no clue what is going on out there except via their boob tube.

acdha 4y ago
> Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. That’s not what happened: “it’s okay to be white” is a well-known white supremacist campaign which started on 4chan. Here’s a history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white It’s designed to sound plausibly benign to people who aren’t paying attention — for example, anyone who didn’t stop to ask why someone felt the need to answer a question nobody was asking – but black people in the US are unsurprisingly not given the opportunity to be oblivious to racism. Ask a black person or a Jewish person what the neo-nazis are doing and they’re far more likely to be at least somewhat informed because a lot of people in their communities can’t afford not to be.
- trafficante 4y ago
  Are we really this easily duped? The entire EXPLICITLY STATED point of these /pol/ campaigns is to manipulate the media into acting as an engine of radicalization. “It’s okay to be white” would have died on the vine right next to “Islam is right about women” if the media didn’t go into an amplification feeding frenzy. Edit: and sure, the cat’s out of the bag and actual racists are probably using the phrase now. But clearly no lesson has been learned - ditching Scott Adams for supposedly making reprehensible racist remarks is going to absolutely set more than a few people down the path of radicalization when they look up what he said and see “it’s okay to be white”. I can only imagine the glee over on 4chan right now.
  - acdha 4y ago
    This is not the media going on a frenzy. This is Scott Adams knowingly misrepresenting a poll result as “see, black people are the real racists!” rather than “many black people have correctly learned who uses this slogan and why”. The only reason anyone is talking about it is because he’s trying to use it as a cover story, and the correct response is to recognize his true motives and ignore him.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
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      - newaccount74 4y ago
        Honestly if you read Adams blog posts in the last few years, it's quite surprising his comic strip was still being published. I'd expect an aging author to become wiser and more understanding, Adams was getting more and more radical and the segregationist comments were just the straw that broke the camels back.
        olivermarks 4y ago
        Adams is a very successful book author as a well as being a syndicated cartoonist that has enticed a lot of people to buy newspaper subscriptions. The idea publishers would cancel him due to his blog and podcast opinions flies in the face of business logic. Local California newspapers are already full of junk, out of date establishment syndicated news stories and woke oped pieces written by junior journalism graduates who have strong radical progressive activist views and agendas. Reader comments (if allowed) tell a story of dissatisfaction in these publications. There is less and less reason to buy them. I think Dilbert is a terrific cartoon strip that punctures the pretense of large corporation human resources hubris. I don't care what the author of this cartoon strips views are. I'm not interested in what Charles Schultz (Peanuts) political views were either.
        newaccount74 4y ago
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  I understand the context of “it’s okay to be white” but it’s a broken clock right twice a day kind of thing. The people who criticize the phrase “it’s okay to be white” are actually racists and ad hominem doesn’t make them not racist. Going on about how even asking the question is racist is a lame criticism. A bunch of white supremacists touched a nerve and revealed a bunch of anti-white racism in the population. It is how it is. The only way to fight against their propaganda is not to defame the people saying this - it’s to not be racist and to point out that mildly racist views on white people don’t nessecarily amount to much of anything in the real world.
  - acdha 4y ago
    You’re begging the question of whether the people objecting to that phrase are reacting to the surface message or the well-known subtext. Unless you have that data, it’s an error to assume it’s saying anything about anti-white racism. For example, if you asked me whether it was important to secure a future for white children, I’d react negatively even though I am white because I know that phrasing and the related belief structure is tightly bound to the white supremacist movement. That doesn’t mean I don’t want white children to have a great future - as a father that’d be abhorrent - but I want that for all children and I specifically don’t want anything I say or do to be construed as supporting the kind of people who rally around the 14 words.
    - junofan 4y ago
      You pick your reactions based on 4chan?
      - acdha 4y ago
        Only in the sense that if I recognize something came from there I do not assume the question is being asked in good faith.
        junofan 4y ago
        What question?
- caminante 4y ago
  The wiki you linked opens with a claim that is provably false. > "It's okay to be white" (IOTBW) is a slogan which originated as part of an organized alt-right trolling campaign on the website 4chan's discussion board /pol/ in 2017. Countless search results pre-date this and not on 4chan. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22it%27s+ok+to+be+white%22&safe=off&hl=en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/1/2016 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22it%27s+ok+to+be+white%22&...
  - acdha 4y ago
    When I checked a few of those results, it was just showing that Google's date parsers were either wrong (there's a neo-Nazi band's song denying the holocaust listed as 2001 but the actual page is from 2021) or news stories which predate 2017 but do not mention that phrase anywhere except in something like a “top news” box which happened to feature a story about Scott Adams when Google most recently crawled that page. Twitter appears to have a similar issue with things like pinned or related tweets where the date Google shows in their snippet doesn't block to a tweet with that phrase. The other thing to remember is that there's a difference between whether anyone in human history has ever combined 5 words together before and the organized campaign promoting that as a catch-phrase aiming to boost white supremacy. If we find a few neo-Nazis using that phrase before 2017, it doesn't meaningfully change the idea that the reason almost everyone else has heard of it is due to the /pol/ campaign — to call that into question you'd want to see if there was non-racist use prior to that date. Here's considerably more detail about how they moved that from 4chan to Fox News: https://mediamanipulation.org/case-studies/viral-slogan-its-ok-be-white https://mediamanipulation.org/case-studies/viral-slogan-its-...
freejazz 4y ago
People very often do not hear what they do not want to

acdha 4y ago

> Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. That’s not what happened: “it’s okay to be white” is a well-known white supremacist campaign which started on 4chan. Here’s a history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white It’s designed to sound plausibly benign to people who aren’t paying attention — for example, anyone who didn’t stop to ask why someone felt the need to answer a question nobody was asking – but black people in the US are unsurprisingly not given the opportunity to be oblivious to racism. Ask a black person or a Jewish person what the neo-nazis are doing and they’re far more likely to be at least somewhat informed because a lot of people in their communities can’t afford not to be.

trafficante 4y ago
Are we really this easily duped? The entire EXPLICITLY STATED point of these /pol/ campaigns is to manipulate the media into acting as an engine of radicalization. “It’s okay to be white” would have died on the vine right next to “Islam is right about women” if the media didn’t go into an amplification feeding frenzy. Edit: and sure, the cat’s out of the bag and actual racists are probably using the phrase now. But clearly no lesson has been learned - ditching Scott Adams for supposedly making reprehensible racist remarks is going to absolutely set more than a few people down the path of radicalization when they look up what he said and see “it’s okay to be white”. I can only imagine the glee over on 4chan right now.
- acdha 4y ago
  This is not the media going on a frenzy. This is Scott Adams knowingly misrepresenting a poll result as “see, black people are the real racists!” rather than “many black people have correctly learned who uses this slogan and why”. The only reason anyone is talking about it is because he’s trying to use it as a cover story, and the correct response is to recognize his true motives and ignore him.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
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    - newaccount74 4y ago
      Honestly if you read Adams blog posts in the last few years, it's quite surprising his comic strip was still being published. I'd expect an aging author to become wiser and more understanding, Adams was getting more and more radical and the segregationist comments were just the straw that broke the camels back.
      - olivermarks 4y ago
        Adams is a very successful book author as a well as being a syndicated cartoonist that has enticed a lot of people to buy newspaper subscriptions. The idea publishers would cancel him due to his blog and podcast opinions flies in the face of business logic. Local California newspapers are already full of junk, out of date establishment syndicated news stories and woke oped pieces written by junior journalism graduates who have strong radical progressive activist views and agendas. Reader comments (if allowed) tell a story of dissatisfaction in these publications. There is less and less reason to buy them. I think Dilbert is a terrific cartoon strip that punctures the pretense of large corporation human resources hubris. I don't care what the author of this cartoon strips views are. I'm not interested in what Charles Schultz (Peanuts) political views were either.
        newaccount74 4y ago
faeriechangling 4y ago
I understand the context of “it’s okay to be white” but it’s a broken clock right twice a day kind of thing. The people who criticize the phrase “it’s okay to be white” are actually racists and ad hominem doesn’t make them not racist. Going on about how even asking the question is racist is a lame criticism. A bunch of white supremacists touched a nerve and revealed a bunch of anti-white racism in the population. It is how it is. The only way to fight against their propaganda is not to defame the people saying this - it’s to not be racist and to point out that mildly racist views on white people don’t nessecarily amount to much of anything in the real world.
- acdha 4y ago
  You’re begging the question of whether the people objecting to that phrase are reacting to the surface message or the well-known subtext. Unless you have that data, it’s an error to assume it’s saying anything about anti-white racism. For example, if you asked me whether it was important to secure a future for white children, I’d react negatively even though I am white because I know that phrasing and the related belief structure is tightly bound to the white supremacist movement. That doesn’t mean I don’t want white children to have a great future - as a father that’d be abhorrent - but I want that for all children and I specifically don’t want anything I say or do to be construed as supporting the kind of people who rally around the 14 words.
  - junofan 4y ago
    You pick your reactions based on 4chan?
    - acdha 4y ago
      Only in the sense that if I recognize something came from there I do not assume the question is being asked in good faith.
      - junofan 4y ago
        What question?
caminante 4y ago
The wiki you linked opens with a claim that is provably false. > "It's okay to be white" (IOTBW) is a slogan which originated as part of an organized alt-right trolling campaign on the website 4chan's discussion board /pol/ in 2017. Countless search results pre-date this and not on 4chan. [0] [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22it%27s+ok+to+be+white%22&safe=off&hl=en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:1/1/2016 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22it%27s+ok+to+be+white%22&...
- acdha 4y ago
  When I checked a few of those results, it was just showing that Google's date parsers were either wrong (there's a neo-Nazi band's song denying the holocaust listed as 2001 but the actual page is from 2021) or news stories which predate 2017 but do not mention that phrase anywhere except in something like a “top news” box which happened to feature a story about Scott Adams when Google most recently crawled that page. Twitter appears to have a similar issue with things like pinned or related tweets where the date Google shows in their snippet doesn't block to a tweet with that phrase. The other thing to remember is that there's a difference between whether anyone in human history has ever combined 5 words together before and the organized campaign promoting that as a catch-phrase aiming to boost white supremacy. If we find a few neo-Nazis using that phrase before 2017, it doesn't meaningfully change the idea that the reason almost everyone else has heard of it is due to the /pol/ campaign — to call that into question you'd want to see if there was non-racist use prior to that date. Here's considerably more detail about how they moved that from 4chan to Fox News: https://mediamanipulation.org/case-studies/viral-slogan-its-ok-be-white https://mediamanipulation.org/case-studies/viral-slogan-its-...

freejazz 4y ago

People very often do not hear what they do not want to