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Have you tried the competing software in a business environment, it is pretty easy to see why MS productivity software dominates. For like $12/u/month you get f

Have you tried the competing software in a business environment, it is pretty easy to see why MS productivity software dominates. For like $12/u/month you get full web and desktop office software, MFA, and AzureAD, which you can use as a SSO indentity provider for free, for one lisc that cost $4/m you can then make use of conditional access policies that give you massive options over how you manage an access all aspects of the tenant. They now are giving teams (slack knockoff) a free dialing number so it now can be used for phone conferencing without non-organizational people. Onedrive gives you 1Tb of syncable storage per user, and 1TB per user pool for shared office resources. I spent years as a google apps advocate, but seriously for the money, no one touchs what MS is offering right now. Google had MS hands down 10 years ago, and let google apps die on the vine. It is a damn shame too, because they were the only ones that have anything comparable.

literalAardvark 4y ago
And they're about to introduce GPT3/4 text generation into their products... And possibly image generation because why not. It's just too good to ignore.
Joeri 4y ago
Having just been put through the switch from google apps + slack to the full ms365 suite including teams I have to agree and disagree. On paper microsoft absolutely has the best offering. The ms365 suite has everything anyone could ever need. But, in practice it feels more like a downgrade than an upgrade. Teams does everything, and all of it just as poorly. Office does everything, but the web version and collaboration features are so far behind google they are not comparable. Sharepoint and onedrive seem superior to google drive, but in practice there are many papercuts and people struggle to understand where to put documents and how to properly share them. What microsoft seems to lack is caring about user experience as they slather feature layer after feature layer on top of their products. What google seems to lack is incentive to actually meaningfully improve their product, because I couldn‘t tell you a single meaningful feature they added to g suite over the last five years.
- theK 4y ago
  > What microsoft seems to lack is caring about user experience as they slather feature layer after feature layer on top of their products. That's the problem of selling something to the supervisor and not the actual user. MS has had that corporate world as a cash cow for three decades now. They don't care about the end user they just care that their product looks better in the slide that compares it to the best alternative.
scott00 4y ago
Can you give more details on the "1 TB per user pool for shared office resources"? I always thought there was a user-level limit of 1 TB for OneDrive, and a organization-level limit of 1 TB + (10 GB)*(number of users) for Sharepoint.[0] And I've never found any documentation as to whether shared OneDrive folders count against the owner's quota, all of the users with permissions quota, or the sharepoint quota. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/sharepoint-online-service-description/sharepoint-online-limits https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescripti...
- Meph504 4y ago
  Firstly this is complex, it depends on what plans and tiers you have, your resell partner, and what region you are in. But the basics each user gets their own quota of 1 to 5tb,then there is also a shared quota (share point, Ms group storage, powershell online environment, dataverse, etc... ) of 1 to 25tb + (x size per user) the size per user depends on a multitude of factors. I did not mean to imply that users limits are connected to the shared pool, it is in addition to the user quotas.
matwood 4y ago
> but seriously for the money, no one touchs what MS is offering right now. Google had MS hands down 10 years ago, and let google apps die on the vine You're right, for the money MS gives the user a lot of fairly crappy products (other than the office desktop suite). Google was positioned to own this, and they let is drop. It shows what it means to be a product driven company (MS) vs. whatever Google does nowadays (milk search ads?). There are teams of people in MS whose only job is to think about how to package something for sale. If Google had a single person doing that they would have beat Slack before it got huge, and could have owned office collaboration software as it all moved to the web.
Karunamon 4y ago
I am in a position at $dayjob where I have been mandated to find savings wherever possible. Currently a Google workspace company, I absolutely loathe Microsoft's offerings but after doing my due diligence there is no way I can avoid recommending migration. The pricing is just too good even with the warts, and the extra features are things we already need. Fuck teams, though. I will leave this company before migrating Slack into teams. Actively recommending that product is nothing short of professional negligence.

literalAardvark 4y ago

And they're about to introduce GPT3/4 text generation into their products... And possibly image generation because why not. It's just too good to ignore.

Joeri 4y ago

Having just been put through the switch from google apps + slack to the full ms365 suite including teams I have to agree and disagree. On paper microsoft absolutely has the best offering. The ms365 suite has everything anyone could ever need. But, in practice it feels more like a downgrade than an upgrade. Teams does everything, and all of it just as poorly. Office does everything, but the web version and collaboration features are so far behind google they are not comparable. Sharepoint and onedrive seem superior to google drive, but in practice there are many papercuts and people struggle to understand where to put documents and how to properly share them. What microsoft seems to lack is caring about user experience as they slather feature layer after feature layer on top of their products. What google seems to lack is incentive to actually meaningfully improve their product, because I couldn‘t tell you a single meaningful feature they added to g suite over the last five years.

theK 4y ago
> What microsoft seems to lack is caring about user experience as they slather feature layer after feature layer on top of their products. That's the problem of selling something to the supervisor and not the actual user. MS has had that corporate world as a cash cow for three decades now. They don't care about the end user they just care that their product looks better in the slide that compares it to the best alternative.

scott00 4y ago

Can you give more details on the "1 TB per user pool for shared office resources"? I always thought there was a user-level limit of 1 TB for OneDrive, and a organization-level limit of 1 TB + (10 GB)*(number of users) for Sharepoint.[0] And I've never found any documentation as to whether shared OneDrive folders count against the owner's quota, all of the users with permissions quota, or the sharepoint quota. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/sharepoint-online-service-description/sharepoint-online-limits https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescripti...

Meph504 4y ago
Firstly this is complex, it depends on what plans and tiers you have, your resell partner, and what region you are in. But the basics each user gets their own quota of 1 to 5tb,then there is also a shared quota (share point, Ms group storage, powershell online environment, dataverse, etc... ) of 1 to 25tb + (x size per user) the size per user depends on a multitude of factors. I did not mean to imply that users limits are connected to the shared pool, it is in addition to the user quotas.

matwood 4y ago

> but seriously for the money, no one touchs what MS is offering right now. Google had MS hands down 10 years ago, and let google apps die on the vine You're right, for the money MS gives the user a lot of fairly crappy products (other than the office desktop suite). Google was positioned to own this, and they let is drop. It shows what it means to be a product driven company (MS) vs. whatever Google does nowadays (milk search ads?). There are teams of people in MS whose only job is to think about how to package something for sale. If Google had a single person doing that they would have beat Slack before it got huge, and could have owned office collaboration software as it all moved to the web.

Karunamon 4y ago

I am in a position at $dayjob where I have been mandated to find savings wherever possible. Currently a Google workspace company, I absolutely loathe Microsoft's offerings but after doing my due diligence there is no way I can avoid recommending migration. The pricing is just too good even with the warts, and the extra features are things we already need. Fuck teams, though. I will leave this company before migrating Slack into teams. Actively recommending that product is nothing short of professional negligence.