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Open Airport Map

363 points by chippy 4y ago

lisper 4y ago
Very nice! But when I try to look at LAX it says: Couldn't find airport with ICAO code "KLAX". All other airports seem to work though, so this is a strange bug.
- mdaniel 4y ago
  It's due to what appears to be a bogus error message in the response to <https://openairportmap.org/api/airport/KLAX https://openairportmap.org/api/airport/KLAX>: "remark": "runtime error: Query timed out in \"query\" at line 6 after 29 seconds." I say bogus error message because for sure that URL did not take 29 seconds to return (221ms according to Firefox). I'd guess the query is malformed and their api interprets the error as a "timeout" instead of "error"
  - lisper 4y ago
    How did you find that API link?
    - mdaniel 4y ago
      Open the developer tools, choose the network tab, click on "XHR" to filter down the noise, type LAX into the search box, and then watch the things that change. After it presented the error message, I looked for things named KLAX in the list, clicked on that row, clicked on the Response pane and saw that silliness
      - lisper 4y ago
        Ah. Thanks.
SergeAx 4y ago
I actually expected to see a map of insides of the airport: check-in stalls, security control, lounges and shops. Some places even had those, but it is painted over with an orange "this is an airport building" matte plate.
- dktue 4y ago
  Do you have some airports where those features are mapped? Then I can improve on that. :-)
  - SergeAx 4y ago
    I checked original OSM and it seems to me that most airports there are more or less mapped. I checked Belgrade, Sofia, Vienna and Nurnberg. Every one has icons for security check, car rentals, gift shops and so on.
ShakataGaNai 4y ago
What is the end goal of this project? Mapping runways and taxiways isn't ... useful? At least in the United States if it's a field big enough for a K-designation, then there is an Airport Diagram published by the FAA. And therefor public domain. Ex: https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2302/00568ad.pdf https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2302/00568ad.pdf Something like OpenStreetMap makes sense because there is no public domain published map of everything. I'm sure there is something obvious here I'm missing. Maybe it's just anything that isn't US might be the problem.
- metacritic12 4y ago
  I personally would love a map telling me which parts of which airports are most connected airside, and average moving times between different regions of the airport.
  - ShakataGaNai 4y ago
    From a pedestrian perspective? Yea. I could totally see that being useful for a lot of large airports.
- tiffanyh 4y ago
  There’s even an official Jeppesen map for the north pole https://ww2.jeppesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/north-pole-chart.pdf https://ww2.jeppesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/north-po...
  - ShakataGaNai 4y ago
    Oh my goodness, that is hilarious. Just 100% Easter eggs. I think my favorite is "If Dasher sick, reduce speed by 2 reindeer"
    - philsnow 4y ago
      under naughty behavior change codes, "19 - being a hellion"
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ir77 4y ago
Did that site just completely highjack my back button to the point that I had to kill the browser tab to get out of it?
- sgtnoodle 4y ago
  Yes, same thing happened to me.
- netsharc 4y ago
  So many bad practices.. it changes the URL at every action to store your new coordinates/zoom levels, but adds to the browser history instead of replacing it. Also the whole asking for location unprompted, and not respecting a refusal... dumb.
- TillE 4y ago
  Right click your back button and you can jump back to previous sites.
mshockwave 4y ago
For some reason it couldn't find LAX's full designation, KLAX. Also, just realized SNA, an tiny local airport, has a whopping 5000+ft runway, longer than some major ones like SFO or BOS.
- onionisafruit 4y ago
  That's an exceptionally short runway. SFO and BOS certainly have longer runways than that.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  That's barely enough for the smaller 737 variants. SFO has runways more than twice as long.
ericpauley 4y ago
The amount of hate this project is getting in the comments is just incredible... Very little airport surface data is made available in an open and machine-readable format (aerial navigation data is available openly in the US at least). Because of this only the big players (e.g., Boeing) have this data. OpenStreetMap users who contribute this data are democratizing access for anyone who wants to work with airport data in the same way global map data is democratized. At the same time, data is only useful if you can make sense of it, and the first task towards being able to work with this data is visualizing it. A specialized mapping tool helps a lot here. Props to the author for making it! One example use case: citizen scientists could develop and test new planning algorithms for airplane taxiing that are resistant to blockages and availability problems. This is science you could do right now only because data like this is available.
- darksaints 4y ago
  Thanks for this. Using this data at the carrier where I work, we’ve been able to automate compliance with rapidly evolving regulations on C-band interference with aircraft radar altimeters, long before we even deployed a single C-band site. This data is far more useful than any of the government sources that we have.
  - ericpauley 4y ago
    This is such a cool use case! Is there anything public about this?
azkaban73 4y ago
This reminds me of the ADS-B exchange flight map https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/
renewedrebecca 4y ago
This is pretty fun, thanks!
MollyRealized 4y ago
My dad used to manage KANQ, so this is kind of neat to show him. Thank you to the creator!
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c0nsumer 4y ago
This is a neat looking site, but for some reason on Firefox it prompts for location every few seconds. I allow it, but don't check the 'Remember this decision' box. It even is showing my current location and still popping up the box. This is the first time I've seen a site do this... Maybe it's turning on and off detailed location repeatedly?
- lostfocus 4y ago
  That's a browser's default behaviour when the location is requested without user interaction. In this case they request the location immediately when opening the page, they're supposed to add a "Use my location" button and in that case the browser would remember the decision for the current session.
  - c0nsumer 4y ago
    It'd even keep happening if I click allow? (That's what I was doing, and it kept prompting over and over.) They do have a locate button, but even clicking that didn't change the behavior.
    - lostfocus 4y ago
      Yes. The restriction on the Location API are pretty strict.
    - Wonnk13 4y ago
      Same. Fun sight, but pretty annoying on FF.
- cbgonz 4y ago
  Hmm, not here: clicked it away once and it never appeared again (110;0 on Win10 btw)
- thex10 4y ago
  Same on Safari when I change airports (and I have to decline every time).
deutschepost 4y ago
Looks very nice. But I was a bit confused by the UX. If you close your current airport it is still selected. I think it would be nicer if you could select an Airport with the map afer closing, rather than only using the searchbar.
- dktue 4y ago
  This feature has been realized meanwhile: https://community-cdn.openstreetmap.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b5712af4d3adb987d4b82cf3e39e9d9ebe2e5f28.png https://community-cdn.openstreetmap.org/uploads/default/orig...
jossclimb 4y ago
Is this more for planespotters? I had been thinking for a while, I would love a source to find shops / cafes etc in an airport.
- globular-toast 4y ago
  The data is from OpenStreetMap. That has a ton of data inside airports that we frequently make use of, including things like water fountains and toilets. One thing that is a bit difficult is determining whether something is before or after security, though. Depends on the airport and how well you know it. You can use an app like Organic Maps (formerly Maps.me) or Osmand to access it.
ben_w 4y ago
Neat, but with the usual USA-centricism: Despite the map starting at Frankfurt (the one in the west of Germany), and me being in Berlin (the one in the east of Germany) the first result for "Berlin" was the one in New Hampshire, USA.
- niklasrde 4y ago
  That could have sooo many reasons. "Berlin Municipal Airport" does come before "Flughafen Berlin Brandenburg" in the alphabet. But.. looking for "London", 2 of the first 3 airports are in North America and arguably a lot of people would not count any of the first 5 (Lydd, Oxford & Southend) as London. Heathrow doesn't show up at all without specifying further.
  - notahacker 4y ago
    There's a few other areas where the text is suspect, e.g the international airport for Bali, in Denpasar won't show up in searches for Bali (colloquial name of the airport) or Denpasar (city referenced by the IATA code) both of which work in regular flight search, but requires entering the airport codes or its formal name Ngurah Rai. Extra confusion as there is a tiny airport called Bali Airport in Cameroon which shows up instead... In theory, they could build a system which returns relevant airports ranked by size in terms of latest/peak passenger traffic figures
    - snthd 4y ago
      https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/82162575#map=15/-8.7460/115.1673 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/82162575#map=15/-8.7460/11... Tags: addr:city=Denpasar aeroway=aerodrome iata=DPS icao=WADD name=Bandar Udara Internasional Ngurah Rai name:de=Internationaler Flughafen Ngurah Rai name:en=Ngurah Rai International Airport name:fr=Aéroport International Ngurah Rai name:ko=응우라라이공항 operator=PT. Angkasa Pura I short_name=Bandara Internasional Ngurah Rai type=civil wikidata=Q1061846 wikipedia=id:Bandar Udara Internasional Ngurah Rai Colloquial names can be added with the various name tags: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Local_names_(loc_name) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Local_names_(loc_n... (I'm assuming the search is sourcing data from OSM).
niklasrde 4y ago
I just spent 20 minutes flying to various airports I've been to in person. Curious to see space/gate/terminal efficiency and closeness from one central point at eg DUS and FRA with the evolution that is LHR. LUX and LCY are also interesting: comparable max passenger numbers of 4M-5M, LUX has 2x> as many weekend slots as LCY, presumably similar clientel (though LUX does more hub flights I reckon), and very different space and layout constraints.
- benjojo12 4y ago
  LCY has a Saturday Noon to Sunday Noon curfew. It makes the life's of people like me who live near it much better! Even if it means that weekend flights from my nearest airport can be a pain
  - Daviey 4y ago
    Out of interest, did you move into a property before or after the airport was built? The reason I ask is that one of my local GA airports has constant pressure to reduce the movements from local residents, but the airport has been in frequent use since WWI so I can't understand why people move near an airport and then complain that there is an airport there.
- cargolux 4y ago
  LUX is a much bigger air cargo hub than a passenger airport; that's the difference. There hasn't been long-haul/wide-body passenger service there in many years, but that 4000m runway sees real use. Usually 50% more freight aircraft movements (and many multiples the mass) than passenger aircraft at LUX. LCY is a one-trick-pony: a private airport for European finance bros.
gennarro 4y ago
Love open flight data! So much of it to go around, it’s one of the few topics where there is practically too much free data to use. Reminds me of https://tsa.report https://tsa.report and https://openflights.org/ https://openflights.org/ etc
notahacker 4y ago
I'd be interested in knowing where they sourced their passenger traffic figures from.
- mormegil 4y ago
  Probably Wikidata, see e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q46033#P3872 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q46033#P3872
adamm255 4y ago
Currently sitting on a taxiway at Heathrow. Can confirm this is very accurate (at least for LHR!). Very nice!
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Very nicely done and very responsive. The one thing I'd love to see added is information on which airlines use which gates. I know airlines often share gates, but even knowing which gates are most likely for a given airline would be useful. In Atlanta, I like being able to fly out of a T-Gate because it has its own security checkpoint that's typically, but not always, faster than the main security checkpoint. I think those gates are mostly used by American and United but would be nice to see it listed on each gate.
- jillesvangurp 4y ago
  It's nice but not very responsive. We switched from leaflet (this seems to use that as well) to maplibre last year for this reason. Zooming and panning are a bit slowish.
  - whoisstan 4y ago
    For Fraport > document.querySelectorAll("path").length > 5000 They might need combine/reduce the elements. Or use a canvas?
- callahad 4y ago
  For what it's worth, all gates in Atlanta are connected airside, so you can use that checkpoint no matter which gate you're ultimately flying out of. If you haven't done so, it's actually quite nice to skip the Plane Train and walk between the concourses; there's a very cool collection of Zimbabwean sculpture down there between the T and A gates.
  - dtgriscom 4y ago
    If I have a longer layover in the Atlanta airport, my trick is to go all the way to the end of the line, to the international terminal. It's much quieter and less busy than the other terminals, and you can read/surf in peace.
ecommerceguy 4y ago
Looks more like a cad drawing than a map. I'm sorry but as a rather prolific former cartographer (I've made thousands of maps for hundreds of clients) what is the goal of this map? Showing terminal locations? Where to park? Size relative to surroundings? Location of manholes? Noise compatibility?
- ericpauley 4y ago
  I’m sorry but as a pilot who routinely uses airport diagrams what specific weakness are you seeing? As you are probably aware, not all maps are intended to have some beautiful aesthetic. This map is quite akin in style to the layout of airport maps (diagrams) published for actual pilot use.
  - dtgriscom 4y ago
    You derided the question, but then answered it: this is for pilot use.
    - ericpauley 4y ago
      I wouldn't necessarily say it is. It's an automated visualization of machine-readable data on airports. If you were processing this data, you'd want a visualization like this.
  - billfor 4y ago
    Well for one thing the taxiway letters and runway markings are missing. If it’s a “map” I would expect to use it for directions.
    - ericpauley 4y ago
      It is a visualization of community-sourced (OpenStreetMap) data on airports. This data is clearly supported as Frankfurt does have many surfaces labeled. Working towards making this data available is useful even if every single item isn't there.
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robwert 4y ago
I like to use airnav https://www.airnav.com/airport/ https://www.airnav.com/airport/
dtagames 4y ago
The official website shown for IAH is a limo company. Looks like not great web scraping. I also find this unattractive and not useful, and I love airports.
- mormegil 4y ago
  Apparently, they use Wikidata, where this was listed as the official website. I fixed it on Wikidata and it appeared fixed on the website immediately as well, so they apparently fetch the data online, no prior download nor caching?
ricardobeat 4y ago
Zooming in/out spams entries in your browser history. I haven’t looked but guess it’s a case of history.replace va history.push in js.
slater 4y ago
Now someone do this for grocery stores.
Svip 4y ago
A bit disappointing that one has to search for an airport to have it displayed. One of my favourite parts of OpenRailwayMap is to explore tracks I'm unfamiliar with (particularly abandoned tracks), but this map seems to require one to know where one is going, rather than exploring.
- remram 4y ago
  That is true, zooming in on an airport won't let you see its features, you'll have to read its name and put it on the searchbox for that part of the map to be displayed. You'd expect that zooming in on an airport would allow you to see it, or at the minimum to be able to click on an airport to load it up.
dktue 4y ago
Hi, I'm the developer of OpenAirportMap and just got hinted to this thread. Thanks for the tremendous amount of interest and feedback. One thing that has been suggested in this thread is that the map shows all airports -- this has been realized now. I would love to hear your ideas how to improve the application. Let's improve it together. :-)

363 points by chippy 4y ago

Very nice! But when I try to look at LAX it says: Couldn't find airport with ICAO code "KLAX". All other airports seem to work though, so this is a strange bug.

mdaniel 4y ago
It's due to what appears to be a bogus error message in the response to <https://openairportmap.org/api/airport/KLAX https://openairportmap.org/api/airport/KLAX>: "remark": "runtime error: Query timed out in \"query\" at line 6 after 29 seconds." I say bogus error message because for sure that URL did not take 29 seconds to return (221ms according to Firefox). I'd guess the query is malformed and their api interprets the error as a "timeout" instead of "error"
- lisper 4y ago
  How did you find that API link?
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    Open the developer tools, choose the network tab, click on "XHR" to filter down the noise, type LAX into the search box, and then watch the things that change. After it presented the error message, I looked for things named KLAX in the list, clicked on that row, clicked on the Response pane and saw that silliness
    - lisper 4y ago
      Ah. Thanks.

SergeAx 4y ago

I actually expected to see a map of insides of the airport: check-in stalls, security control, lounges and shops. Some places even had those, but it is painted over with an orange "this is an airport building" matte plate.

dktue 4y ago
Do you have some airports where those features are mapped? Then I can improve on that. :-)
- SergeAx 4y ago
  I checked original OSM and it seems to me that most airports there are more or less mapped. I checked Belgrade, Sofia, Vienna and Nurnberg. Every one has icons for security check, car rentals, gift shops and so on.

ShakataGaNai 4y ago

What is the end goal of this project? Mapping runways and taxiways isn't ... useful? At least in the United States if it's a field big enough for a K-designation, then there is an Airport Diagram published by the FAA. And therefor public domain. Ex: https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2302/00568ad.pdf https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2302/00568ad.pdf Something like OpenStreetMap makes sense because there is no public domain published map of everything. I'm sure there is something obvious here I'm missing. Maybe it's just anything that isn't US might be the problem.

metacritic12 4y ago
I personally would love a map telling me which parts of which airports are most connected airside, and average moving times between different regions of the airport.
- ShakataGaNai 4y ago
  From a pedestrian perspective? Yea. I could totally see that being useful for a lot of large airports.
tiffanyh 4y ago
There’s even an official Jeppesen map for the north pole https://ww2.jeppesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/north-pole-chart.pdf https://ww2.jeppesen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/north-po...
- ShakataGaNai 4y ago
  Oh my goodness, that is hilarious. Just 100% Easter eggs. I think my favorite is "If Dasher sick, reduce speed by 2 reindeer"
  - philsnow 4y ago
    under naughty behavior change codes, "19 - being a hellion"
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ir77 4y ago

Did that site just completely highjack my back button to the point that I had to kill the browser tab to get out of it?

sgtnoodle 4y ago
Yes, same thing happened to me.
netsharc 4y ago
So many bad practices.. it changes the URL at every action to store your new coordinates/zoom levels, but adds to the browser history instead of replacing it. Also the whole asking for location unprompted, and not respecting a refusal... dumb.
TillE 4y ago
Right click your back button and you can jump back to previous sites.

mshockwave 4y ago

For some reason it couldn't find LAX's full designation, KLAX. Also, just realized SNA, an tiny local airport, has a whopping 5000+ft runway, longer than some major ones like SFO or BOS.

onionisafruit 4y ago
That's an exceptionally short runway. SFO and BOS certainly have longer runways than that.
rootusrootus 4y ago
That's barely enough for the smaller 737 variants. SFO has runways more than twice as long.

ericpauley 4y ago

The amount of hate this project is getting in the comments is just incredible... Very little airport surface data is made available in an open and machine-readable format (aerial navigation data is available openly in the US at least). Because of this only the big players (e.g., Boeing) have this data. OpenStreetMap users who contribute this data are democratizing access for anyone who wants to work with airport data in the same way global map data is democratized. At the same time, data is only useful if you can make sense of it, and the first task towards being able to work with this data is visualizing it. A specialized mapping tool helps a lot here. Props to the author for making it! One example use case: citizen scientists could develop and test new planning algorithms for airplane taxiing that are resistant to blockages and availability problems. This is science you could do right now only because data like this is available.

darksaints 4y ago
Thanks for this. Using this data at the carrier where I work, we’ve been able to automate compliance with rapidly evolving regulations on C-band interference with aircraft radar altimeters, long before we even deployed a single C-band site. This data is far more useful than any of the government sources that we have.
- ericpauley 4y ago
  This is such a cool use case! Is there anything public about this?

azkaban73 4y ago

This reminds me of the ADS-B exchange flight map https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

renewedrebecca 4y ago

This is pretty fun, thanks!

MollyRealized 4y ago

My dad used to manage KANQ, so this is kind of neat to show him. Thank you to the creator!

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c0nsumer 4y ago

This is a neat looking site, but for some reason on Firefox it prompts for location every few seconds. I allow it, but don't check the 'Remember this decision' box. It even is showing my current location and still popping up the box. This is the first time I've seen a site do this... Maybe it's turning on and off detailed location repeatedly?

lostfocus 4y ago
That's a browser's default behaviour when the location is requested without user interaction. In this case they request the location immediately when opening the page, they're supposed to add a "Use my location" button and in that case the browser would remember the decision for the current session.
- c0nsumer 4y ago
  It'd even keep happening if I click allow? (That's what I was doing, and it kept prompting over and over.) They do have a locate button, but even clicking that didn't change the behavior.
  - lostfocus 4y ago
    Yes. The restriction on the Location API are pretty strict.
  - Wonnk13 4y ago
    Same. Fun sight, but pretty annoying on FF.
cbgonz 4y ago
Hmm, not here: clicked it away once and it never appeared again (110;0 on Win10 btw)
thex10 4y ago
Same on Safari when I change airports (and I have to decline every time).

deutschepost 4y ago

Looks very nice. But I was a bit confused by the UX. If you close your current airport it is still selected. I think it would be nicer if you could select an Airport with the map afer closing, rather than only using the searchbar.

dktue 4y ago
This feature has been realized meanwhile: https://community-cdn.openstreetmap.org/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b5712af4d3adb987d4b82cf3e39e9d9ebe2e5f28.png https://community-cdn.openstreetmap.org/uploads/default/orig...

jossclimb 4y ago

Is this more for planespotters? I had been thinking for a while, I would love a source to find shops / cafes etc in an airport.

globular-toast 4y ago
The data is from OpenStreetMap. That has a ton of data inside airports that we frequently make use of, including things like water fountains and toilets. One thing that is a bit difficult is determining whether something is before or after security, though. Depends on the airport and how well you know it. You can use an app like Organic Maps (formerly Maps.me) or Osmand to access it.

ben_w 4y ago

Neat, but with the usual USA-centricism: Despite the map starting at Frankfurt (the one in the west of Germany), and me being in Berlin (the one in the east of Germany) the first result for "Berlin" was the one in New Hampshire, USA.

niklasrde 4y ago
That could have sooo many reasons. "Berlin Municipal Airport" does come before "Flughafen Berlin Brandenburg" in the alphabet. But.. looking for "London", 2 of the first 3 airports are in North America and arguably a lot of people would not count any of the first 5 (Lydd, Oxford & Southend) as London. Heathrow doesn't show up at all without specifying further.
- notahacker 4y ago
  There's a few other areas where the text is suspect, e.g the international airport for Bali, in Denpasar won't show up in searches for Bali (colloquial name of the airport) or Denpasar (city referenced by the IATA code) both of which work in regular flight search, but requires entering the airport codes or its formal name Ngurah Rai. Extra confusion as there is a tiny airport called Bali Airport in Cameroon which shows up instead... In theory, they could build a system which returns relevant airports ranked by size in terms of latest/peak passenger traffic figures
  - snthd 4y ago
    https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/82162575#map=15/-8.7460/115.1673 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/82162575#map=15/-8.7460/11... Tags: addr:city=Denpasar aeroway=aerodrome iata=DPS icao=WADD name=Bandar Udara Internasional Ngurah Rai name:de=Internationaler Flughafen Ngurah Rai name:en=Ngurah Rai International Airport name:fr=Aéroport International Ngurah Rai name:ko=응우라라이공항 operator=PT. Angkasa Pura I short_name=Bandara Internasional Ngurah Rai type=civil wikidata=Q1061846 wikipedia=id:Bandar Udara Internasional Ngurah Rai Colloquial names can be added with the various name tags: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Local_names_(loc_name) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Local_names_(loc_n... (I'm assuming the search is sourcing data from OSM).

niklasrde 4y ago

I just spent 20 minutes flying to various airports I've been to in person. Curious to see space/gate/terminal efficiency and closeness from one central point at eg DUS and FRA with the evolution that is LHR. LUX and LCY are also interesting: comparable max passenger numbers of 4M-5M, LUX has 2x> as many weekend slots as LCY, presumably similar clientel (though LUX does more hub flights I reckon), and very different space and layout constraints.

benjojo12 4y ago
LCY has a Saturday Noon to Sunday Noon curfew. It makes the life's of people like me who live near it much better! Even if it means that weekend flights from my nearest airport can be a pain
- Daviey 4y ago
  Out of interest, did you move into a property before or after the airport was built? The reason I ask is that one of my local GA airports has constant pressure to reduce the movements from local residents, but the airport has been in frequent use since WWI so I can't understand why people move near an airport and then complain that there is an airport there.
cargolux 4y ago
LUX is a much bigger air cargo hub than a passenger airport; that's the difference. There hasn't been long-haul/wide-body passenger service there in many years, but that 4000m runway sees real use. Usually 50% more freight aircraft movements (and many multiples the mass) than passenger aircraft at LUX. LCY is a one-trick-pony: a private airport for European finance bros.

gennarro 4y ago

Love open flight data! So much of it to go around, it’s one of the few topics where there is practically too much free data to use. Reminds me of https://tsa.report https://tsa.report and https://openflights.org/ https://openflights.org/ etc

notahacker 4y ago

I'd be interested in knowing where they sourced their passenger traffic figures from.

mormegil 4y ago
Probably Wikidata, see e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q46033#P3872 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q46033#P3872

adamm255 4y ago

Currently sitting on a taxiway at Heathrow. Can confirm this is very accurate (at least for LHR!). Very nice!

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

Very nicely done and very responsive. The one thing I'd love to see added is information on which airlines use which gates. I know airlines often share gates, but even knowing which gates are most likely for a given airline would be useful. In Atlanta, I like being able to fly out of a T-Gate because it has its own security checkpoint that's typically, but not always, faster than the main security checkpoint. I think those gates are mostly used by American and United but would be nice to see it listed on each gate.

jillesvangurp 4y ago
It's nice but not very responsive. We switched from leaflet (this seems to use that as well) to maplibre last year for this reason. Zooming and panning are a bit slowish.
- whoisstan 4y ago
  For Fraport > document.querySelectorAll("path").length > 5000 They might need combine/reduce the elements. Or use a canvas?
callahad 4y ago
For what it's worth, all gates in Atlanta are connected airside, so you can use that checkpoint no matter which gate you're ultimately flying out of. If you haven't done so, it's actually quite nice to skip the Plane Train and walk between the concourses; there's a very cool collection of Zimbabwean sculpture down there between the T and A gates.
- dtgriscom 4y ago
  If I have a longer layover in the Atlanta airport, my trick is to go all the way to the end of the line, to the international terminal. It's much quieter and less busy than the other terminals, and you can read/surf in peace.

ecommerceguy 4y ago

Looks more like a cad drawing than a map. I'm sorry but as a rather prolific former cartographer (I've made thousands of maps for hundreds of clients) what is the goal of this map? Showing terminal locations? Where to park? Size relative to surroundings? Location of manholes? Noise compatibility?

ericpauley 4y ago
I’m sorry but as a pilot who routinely uses airport diagrams what specific weakness are you seeing? As you are probably aware, not all maps are intended to have some beautiful aesthetic. This map is quite akin in style to the layout of airport maps (diagrams) published for actual pilot use.
- dtgriscom 4y ago
  You derided the question, but then answered it: this is for pilot use.
  - ericpauley 4y ago
    I wouldn't necessarily say it is. It's an automated visualization of machine-readable data on airports. If you were processing this data, you'd want a visualization like this.
- billfor 4y ago
  Well for one thing the taxiway letters and runway markings are missing. If it’s a “map” I would expect to use it for directions.
  - ericpauley 4y ago
    It is a visualization of community-sourced (OpenStreetMap) data on airports. This data is clearly supported as Frankfurt does have many surfaces labeled. Working towards making this data available is useful even if every single item isn't there.
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robwert 4y ago

I like to use airnav https://www.airnav.com/airport/ https://www.airnav.com/airport/

dtagames 4y ago

The official website shown for IAH is a limo company. Looks like not great web scraping. I also find this unattractive and not useful, and I love airports.

mormegil 4y ago
Apparently, they use Wikidata, where this was listed as the official website. I fixed it on Wikidata and it appeared fixed on the website immediately as well, so they apparently fetch the data online, no prior download nor caching?

ricardobeat 4y ago

Zooming in/out spams entries in your browser history. I haven’t looked but guess it’s a case of history.replace va history.push in js.

slater 4y ago

Now someone do this for grocery stores.

Svip 4y ago

A bit disappointing that one has to search for an airport to have it displayed. One of my favourite parts of OpenRailwayMap is to explore tracks I'm unfamiliar with (particularly abandoned tracks), but this map seems to require one to know where one is going, rather than exploring.

remram 4y ago
That is true, zooming in on an airport won't let you see its features, you'll have to read its name and put it on the searchbox for that part of the map to be displayed. You'd expect that zooming in on an airport would allow you to see it, or at the minimum to be able to click on an airport to load it up.

dktue 4y ago

Hi, I'm the developer of OpenAirportMap and just got hinted to this thread. Thanks for the tremendous amount of interest and feedback. One thing that has been suggested in this thread is that the map shows all airports -- this has been realized now. I would love to hear your ideas how to improve the application. Let's improve it together. :-)