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UK Proposes Even More Stupid Ideas for Directly Regulating the Internet
- greatgib 4y agoAs we can see with Assange case, I think that the core of political leaders there are corrupted by lobbyist, like for Australia.
- tabtab 4y agoUK invented the Ministry of Silly Walks, so why not the Ministry of Silly Internet Regulation?
- tomxor 4y agoIndeed, John Cleese might do a good job of making fun of our government in this instance. He was quite on point with his poke at NFTs, I wouldn't put it past him understanding the nuance in these issues.
- andrewstuart 4y agoCleese recently said he is leaving the UK.
- jen20 4y agoGiven that he was a proponent of Brexit, I think he really should be forced to stay.
- tomxor 4y agoSure, for some weak definition of "proponent"... I'm bored of everything being polarised. I guess it's easier for people who fear discourse in the grey to just shout heretic and hide in the crowd: > The Monty Python comic had been portrayed in the press as having strong views on Brexit – but Mr Cleese said he has ‘no strong views’ and had been in favour of reforming the EU Commission. “If they don’t reform it, I’m in favour of Leave but I said nobody understands the economic impact,” he said. https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/actor-john-cleese-reveals-hes-quit-uk-and-is-now-living-in-the-caribbean-37700845.html https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/a...
- tempodox 4y agoI understand the impulse, but punishing people for having the “wrong” opinion is despotism.
- avidiax 4y agoThis is not a punishment so much as saying that a captain should go down with his ship, or that someone that's made their bed should now lie in it.
- jen20 4y agoIt’s not a punishment: it’s simply reaping the benefits of the promised sunlit uplands, after he removed the ability of so many others to move.
- vidarh 4y agoCleese has in recent years unfortunately increasingly demonstrated that he didn't so much act in Fawlty's Towers as just be himself.
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- quantum_state 4y agoWas it the same UK government that put Turing into jail?
- upwardbound 4y ago[flagged]
- desro 4y agoI'm (non-confrontationally) curious if you fact checked this before posting, or if it was a quick copy and paste. Truly: just curious.
- upwardbound 4y agoTo elaborate on what I said earlier, I should said that I *failed* in a naive attempt to fact check before being foiled by my lack of knowledge of the UK system of power. What does it mean "to hold power"? Google didn't have any simple answers about who "held power" in which year and neither did wikipedia. How am I supposed to find these answers if I wasn't taught them in history class like you were? I'm sorry I gave up but I have limited mental energy to slack off on a forum and a ton of work to do. I visited at least 3 wikipedia articles and felt like I had no more than 25% of the information I needed to even answer this question. And so ChatGPT tempted me with a quick promise of an answer..
- upwardbound 4y agoquick copy & paste, as I stated I did not bother to fact check since I'm in the middle of work and in a rush and figured that giving a disclaimer that I didn't fact check it was enuf
- michaelmrose 4y agoAnyone here can enter a search into google or query chatGPT if they want to. It brings down the level of discourse to paste a stream of consciousness, a google search, or your convo with chatGPT. You are wasting everyone's time and giving a disclaimer that you intend to waste everyone's time changes little.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoWhen someone's life is spinning wildly out of control, they tend to grab onto whatever they can within reach, fixate on and micromanage it, in an attempt to feel a sense of control. Apparently nation states can feel and act the same too.
- mjburgess 4y agoAnd centuries, as with the victorians.
- andrewstuart 4y agoThis is the same country that considered their advances in computing during World War 2 to be so important that they hid them and left the USA to capitalise on the innovation. We'll leave our poor UK cousins to carry out their "techxit".
- kwere 4y agopossibly having most of the political leadership made of landed gentry / old money isnt beneficial to the development of society, as changes could easily became a threat to the status quo, thats why finance became the national industry post WWII, it aligned with the interests of the top brass.
- mrjin 4y agoWell, you just reminded me some urinal's brand "Brexit", no kidding.
- ithkuil 4y agoInternexit
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoYes, we are great at sacrificing long term benefit for short term advantage. Apparently our ability to break various crypto systems was regarded as too sensitive. I believe we continued to break encrypted communications for some time after the war, including those of our allies. Would be interested if anyone knows of a good history of this aspect of post war Britain.
- Dyac 4y agoSexism is apparently a big reason. Many of the early British computing experts were female. At some point it was "professionalised" and these skilled and experienced women were displaced by less skilled and less experienced men. Here's a New Statesman article about it: https://archive.is/zsijz https://archive.is/zsijz
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- AwaAwa 4y agoAnd then we have UK's child Canada trying to their spin on the internet with bill C-18. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
- 908B64B197 4y agoStrangely, we get flooded with resumes from England and Canada here in America. Yet the reverse almost never happens. Surely, these laws will help reverse this brain drain...
- djmips 4y agoBut that's about the $. Nevertheless, plenty of Americans do apply for work in Canada.
- unxdfa 4y agoQuite happy working in the UK still. There is no brain drain past the usual one related to being a tiny island but there is a shortage of staff. And we get paid handsomely not to fuck off :)
- tehf0x 4y agoMight want to check up on dev salaries outside of the UK, I found the norm pretty terrible relative to CoL in London...
- cscurmudgeon 4y agoHere is something even more stupid from the UK: Reading ‘Lord Of The Rings’ And ‘1984’ Could Lead To Right-Wing Extremism, Gov’t Report Warns https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/16/reading-lord-of-the-rings-1984-could-lead-right-wing-extremism-govt-report-warns-douglas-murray/ https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/16/reading-lord-of-the-rings... Edit: Someone from the UK govt downvoted me :D
- jjulius 4y agoDo you have a source that actually quotes the government document it references? Your link is just a rehash of an original piece which itself offers literally no evidence of it's accuracy. In point of fact, I searched further and found this[1]... >Fox News Digital could not verify the extent of the list of books, movies and shows flagged under the government program and the Home Office could not verify the existence of the list. As of now, Murray's claims are the only thing any other outlet has cited as "proof"; can you provide something a bit more substantial before possibly spreading FUD? [1]https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-counterterrorism-program-flags-family-sitcoms-shakespeare-works-far-right-extremism-report https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-counterterrorism-program-fl...
- Penyngton 4y agoWilliam Shawcross's Independent Review of Prevent [0] has on page 24 > 3.46 While the products related to Islamist terrorism focus on the most serious material relating to violent Islamist ideology, mostly Islamic State and al-Qa’ida, much of the material covering Extreme Right-Wing falls well below the threshold for even non-violent extremism. > 3.47 This material tends to deal with broader themes and often covers content that relates to narratives on social media. These products not only covered non-violent far right extremism, but also examples of centre-right debate, populism, and controversial or distasteful forms of right-leaning commentary and intolerance. Some of this material falls well short of the extremism threshold altogether. > 3.48 I saw one RICU analysis product from 2020 on Right-Wing terrorist and extremist activity online which referenced books by mainstream British conservative commentators as “key cultural nationalist ideological texts”. The same document listed “key texts” for white nationalists as including historic works of the Western philosophic and literary canon. Emphasis mine. So it is certain that some mainstream books were considered signifiers of right-wing extremism by Prevent's Research Information and Communications Unit (RICU), but I haven't seen any official publication of exactly what the list contained. [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-review-of-prevents-report-and-government-response https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-revie...
- fithisux 4y agoTotalitarian country with beautiful parks.
- aryehof 4y agoFrom the comments here, I’m amused how ready people are to immediately believe anything written on the internet without question. Does critical thinking go out of the window if it appears on a website?
- vidarh 4y agoThe article links to an official government consultation document from the Home Office. That said, a lot of UK consultation docs never even makes it into parliamentary committees, much less makes it onto the floor even if supported by the majority government, so while people should get involved in the consultation it's a bit early to worry that this has a real shot.
- morbia 4y agoThis is something that comes up time and time again with our recent string of conservative governments, going back to Cameron. At this point I'm pretty convinced that it is a dead cat strategy to avoid us talking about the lack of fruit and vegetables in the supermarkets. Or maybe I'm just being hopeful.
- andrewstuart 4y agoHow do people in UK feel about the food shortages? Do they blame brexit?
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoI like to blame Brexit. In reality it's a combination of things going on, but Brexit certainly exacerbates them.
- nivenkos 4y agoA lot of Europe is suffering shortages the same though, it's just that in the UK the supermarkets refused to pay more. Whereas like here in Sweden you can buy tomatoes, but they now cost $10 per kg.
- Stephanemw 4y agoProduction costs varying over the seasons or supply availability I can understand. I can't understand how /every/ UK supermarket chain made the same decision to decline the higher costs without asking myself if they spoke to each other about it. Emergent behaviour caused by racing to the bottom?
- londons_explore 4y agoAnti price gouging laws prevent them jacking up prices when there is tight supply. They literally can't offer to pay more.
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- LatteLazy 4y agoI once again find myself apologizing for my country and trying to explain that in 20 years our (very severe) boomer infestation will be fixed and we'll be a real place again. Sorry.
- Nextgrid 4y agoAssuming there's anything left of the country and it doesn't devolve into a lawless wasteland once basic infrastructure like healthcare, law enforcement, education, transport, etc has collapsed.
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoI'm afraid to say that in 40 years, the next generation will be apologising for you. Edit: by which I do not mean to insult you. I am saying that Britain has structural and cultural problems that transcend generations. It's popular for younger generations to blame "boomers", but in reality later generations will come in for the same criticism.
- LatteLazy 4y agoThey will! Though I don't think any generation will every be as spoiled as the boomers. I doubt I'll get to pull half the shit they have even in my wildest dreams... :)
- hkt 4y agoNot likely. Millennials aren't undergoing conservatisation with age. We'll likely be the first generation to leave the country better than we found it since the silent generation. There are historical reasons for why this is, too: the looting of the public realm in the 80s was designed to make working class people (largely boomers) think like conservatives by giving them a chance to "win" from their capital (especially houses) rather than their labour. Once you sell this stuff off, there's nothing left to bribe the next generation with, and here we are. I'm sure we will make some mistakes, but we simply don't have the opportunity to do as badly as the current boomers are doing.
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- kjcondon 4y agoThere is nothing wrong with this consultation, this article is a hack job designed to make the UK look like some anti tech loony bin. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/computer-misuse-act-1990-call-for-information/outcome/review-of-the-computer-misuse-act-1990-consultation-and-response-to-call-for-information#proposals-for-legislative-change https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/computer-misuse-... Serizure of IP's and domain names backed by court order is a proportionate response to cyber crime. A magistrate is unlikely to approve such an order unless they have a good amount of evidence that the end-users of these domains and/or IPs are nefarious.
- guilhas 4y agoThe courts are too busy. Cases like this, with one sided representation, they just do what they're told Calls for UK ban on pre-payment meter installations made under court warrants https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/29/calls-for-uk-ban-on-pre-payment-meter-installations-made-under-court-warrants https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/29/calls-for-uk... Courts waved through warrants to forcefit prepayment meters https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64524156 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64524156 Prepayment meters: magistrates told to stop allowing forced installations https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/feb/06/prepayment-meters-forced-installations-england-wales https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/feb/06/prepayment-met...