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> Nobody reads or interacts with emails anymore, they use threads. Not remotely true. Perhaps you're thinking about Gmail webmail users? > and requires a thr

> Nobody reads or interacts with emails anymore, they use threads. Not remotely true. Perhaps you're thinking about Gmail webmail users? > and requires a thread-first view of the inbox. Seeing how Sent messages, which aren't in the inbox, are typically part of threads - even that would not be enough... > IMAP represents now a small minority of servers Not sure what you're counting. If you're counting email users on the servers - Google and Outlook365 both support IMAP. If you're counting kinds of server _software_, then maybe, I have no idea. > their rate limits for non-internal clients are ridiculously low for modern email You mean, bandwidth rates, or rates of commands/second etc.? Also, if by "modern email" you mean "email where people send large files" - that IMHO is a problem, and people just shouldn't do that. Same for other social media BTW. The amount of smartphone space wasted by dumb video clips your friends shared with you by WhatsApp or whatever is stupefying :-( Anyway, people who try to use email to send and receive large files are kind of abusing the service. IMHO. > - Most email that’s important is business email nowadays. I don't think so. Or rather - maybe in the country you live in, and even then I doubt it. > Valid MIME isn’t always going to get through ... and it doesn't help that so few clients can properly present, let alone generate, MIME messages other than with the most simple of structure. :-( > Exchange/365 tenants for the most part block IMAP AFAICT, most people who use MS services can use their publicly-available IMAP servers. > the space is characterized by Google trying its hardest to kill etc. (sigh) not surprising unfortunately. Monopolistic corporations gonna monopolize-coroprately I suppose.

e12e 4y ago
>> Nobody reads or interacts with emails anymore, they use threads. > Not remotely true. Perhaps you're thinking about Gmail webmail users? Speaking for myself - I have threaded / conversation view in outlook on desktop and Android - and Gmail on Android. >> and requires a thread-first view of the inbox. > Seeing how Sent messages, which aren't in the inbox, are typically part of threads - even that would not be enough... Both Gmail and Outlook show the whole thread / conversation regardless if only one mail (eg: latest reply) is "in" the inbox (and rest is "archived" for example). This is via propiatary communication with the servers (Gmail / o365). This is the work flow to replicate one way or another.
- kiwijamo 4y ago
  The very first thing I do anytime I set up a new email client is switch off threaded view so I can see the individual messages. I find it more hassle than it's worth. I prefer to keep specific messages in my inbox related to what I need to do (as my inbox is essentially my to do list) and just archive all other messages especially the meaningless replies which only add noise to the conversation. I shudder when I see other people's inboxes with threads of 100+ messages where they have to scroll and scroll to find the specific message they need. While I already have that specific message stored in my inbox for quick reference.
  - eviks 4y ago
    Threads don't prevent you from tagging individual messages despite your example of people not doing that and resorting to scrolling, so your solution of killing thread is strictly worse

e12e 4y ago

>> Nobody reads or interacts with emails anymore, they use threads. > Not remotely true. Perhaps you're thinking about Gmail webmail users? Speaking for myself - I have threaded / conversation view in outlook on desktop and Android - and Gmail on Android. >> and requires a thread-first view of the inbox. > Seeing how Sent messages, which aren't in the inbox, are typically part of threads - even that would not be enough... Both Gmail and Outlook show the whole thread / conversation regardless if only one mail (eg: latest reply) is "in" the inbox (and rest is "archived" for example). This is via propiatary communication with the servers (Gmail / o365). This is the work flow to replicate one way or another.

kiwijamo 4y ago
The very first thing I do anytime I set up a new email client is switch off threaded view so I can see the individual messages. I find it more hassle than it's worth. I prefer to keep specific messages in my inbox related to what I need to do (as my inbox is essentially my to do list) and just archive all other messages especially the meaningless replies which only add noise to the conversation. I shudder when I see other people's inboxes with threads of 100+ messages where they have to scroll and scroll to find the specific message they need. While I already have that specific message stored in my inbox for quick reference.
- eviks 4y ago
  Threads don't prevent you from tagging individual messages despite your example of people not doing that and resorting to scrolling, so your solution of killing thread is strictly worse