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It is surprising how much politics and law can affect what is grown where. The US-Canada border cuts right across the prairies. Conditions are pretty much ide

by retrac 4y ago

It is surprising how much politics and law can affect what is grown where. The US-Canada border cuts right across the prairies. Conditions are pretty much identical in northern North Dakota and southern Manitoba. Yet the border is clearly visible on some maps of agricultural yield: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OatsYield.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OatsYield.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RyeYield.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RyeYield.png

Scoundreller 4y ago
Though lots of ethanol in Canadian gasoline too. Hard to find any without 10% ethanol, even in jurisdictions with limited corn growing. What caused that? Or do the US subsidies on corn make it cost effective for Canadians to burn ethanol? If so, where’s my cheap E85? I’d run it in my old Corolla and see what happens.
- 1letterunixname 4y ago
  Here, let me Google that for you :) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/taxpayers-ontario-canada-ethanol-subsidies-1.3566564 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/taxpayers-ontario-can... Go ahead: your old Corolla will become a dead Corolla. https://blog.raleighclassic.com/is-it-safe-to-use-ethanol-in-my-older-engine/ https://blog.raleighclassic.com/is-it-safe-to-use-ethanol-in...
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    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      Do you really think they would have put those “flex fuel” badges on cars if they all could run E85 without problems? From my interwebs knowledge you need a fuel sensor (to tell the percentage of ethanol) and an ECU that can take advantage of the different fuel blendings. So, yeah, maybe not a dead car but definitely not an efficient one.
      - Hello71 4y ago
        yes, I do think car vendors would affix stickers implying that existing features are actually new additions (worth paying extra for). I don't know if that's true in this case, but I don't think it's an argument either way.
    - 1letterunixname 4y ago
      Whatever, pal. If you don't have anything of concrete value to contribute, then don't complain about free. :) I have one of those "classics" and have to hunt for low ethanol fuel constantly. It's a huge PITA to retrofit to modern fuel rails when custom NLA injectors are $$$$.
rootusrootus 4y ago
There are several factors in addition to ethanol, right? US livestock feed is primarily maize, but is that true in Canada? And the US has nearly 10x as many cattle. It seems like regulations are the primary driver in the border split, but not all of the regulations are about ethanol (also, Canada uses corn to make ethanol, too, in some areas).
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- Scoundreller 4y ago
  The prime Canadian corn growing regions are also oil producing jurisdictions, so I could see their lack of interest in oil alternatives.
goodpoint 4y ago
> politics and law Money and corruption to be more precise.

by retrac 4y ago

Scoundreller 4y ago

Though lots of ethanol in Canadian gasoline too. Hard to find any without 10% ethanol, even in jurisdictions with limited corn growing. What caused that? Or do the US subsidies on corn make it cost effective for Canadians to burn ethanol? If so, where’s my cheap E85? I’d run it in my old Corolla and see what happens.

1letterunixname 4y ago
Here, let me Google that for you :) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/taxpayers-ontario-canada-ethanol-subsidies-1.3566564 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/taxpayers-ontario-can... Go ahead: your old Corolla will become a dead Corolla. https://blog.raleighclassic.com/is-it-safe-to-use-ethanol-in-my-older-engine/ https://blog.raleighclassic.com/is-it-safe-to-use-ethanol-in...
- Scoundreller 4y ago
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  - UncleEntity 4y ago
    Do you really think they would have put those “flex fuel” badges on cars if they all could run E85 without problems? From my interwebs knowledge you need a fuel sensor (to tell the percentage of ethanol) and an ECU that can take advantage of the different fuel blendings. So, yeah, maybe not a dead car but definitely not an efficient one.
    - Hello71 4y ago
      yes, I do think car vendors would affix stickers implying that existing features are actually new additions (worth paying extra for). I don't know if that's true in this case, but I don't think it's an argument either way.
  - 1letterunixname 4y ago
    Whatever, pal. If you don't have anything of concrete value to contribute, then don't complain about free. :) I have one of those "classics" and have to hunt for low ethanol fuel constantly. It's a huge PITA to retrofit to modern fuel rails when custom NLA injectors are $$$$.

rootusrootus 4y ago

There are several factors in addition to ethanol, right? US livestock feed is primarily maize, but is that true in Canada? And the US has nearly 10x as many cattle. It seems like regulations are the primary driver in the border split, but not all of the regulations are about ethanol (also, Canada uses corn to make ethanol, too, in some areas).

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Scoundreller 4y ago
The prime Canadian corn growing regions are also oil producing jurisdictions, so I could see their lack of interest in oil alternatives.

goodpoint 4y ago

> politics and law Money and corruption to be more precise.