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Who is actually using JMAP? I never heard of that, what's the point of implementing something that is not used at all.

by Thaxll 4y ago

aloisdg 4y ago
This is an chicken-egg problem.
erk__ 4y ago
It is used by Fastmail (who was also developers of the standard) I think it is not a great idea to say that it is not a good idea to not implement things that no one uses, because that is a certain way to not make more people use it. There are some servers that support it such as Stalwart [0], though I don't know about any older servers and/or clients that support it well. [0]: https://github.com/stalwartlabs/jmap-server https://github.com/stalwartlabs/jmap-server
- tankerkiller125 4y ago
  Until Dovecot and systems like it support JMAP, I don't see it gaining the critical mass it needs to succeed.
  - lucideer 4y ago
    Well I can't see Dovecot devs deciding to implement it if they keep reading comments like this dissuading the effort...
    - catiopatio 4y ago
      What advantage would they gain by implementing it?
      - lucideer 4y ago
        There's three considerations (a) is IMAP good / sufficient / fit for purpose (b) if not, is there a better alternative available (c) if there is, is it worth the development effort to support it. If we assume the answers to (a) & (b) are NO & JMAP, then the benefits are included in those answers & only question remaining is (c). The person I was replying to seemed to be only arguing that the answer to (c) is NO.
        tracker1 4y ago
        (a) No (b) JMAP (c) Long term, probably.
  - e12e 4y ago
    Cyrus is a system like dovecot?
StalwartLabs 4y ago
Mostly Fastmail but there are also a few open-source projects that support it https://jmap.io/software.html https://jmap.io/software.html
lucideer 4y ago
> what's the point of implementing something that is not used at all If this question made any sense we would never make anything new at all. How do you think new things get started?

Who is actually using JMAP? I never heard of that, what's the point of implementing something that is not used at all.

by Thaxll 4y ago

Who is actually using JMAP? I never heard of that, what's the point of implementing something that is not used at all.

aloisdg 4y ago

This is an chicken-egg problem.

erk__ 4y ago

It is used by Fastmail (who was also developers of the standard) I think it is not a great idea to say that it is not a good idea to not implement things that no one uses, because that is a certain way to not make more people use it. There are some servers that support it such as Stalwart [0], though I don't know about any older servers and/or clients that support it well. [0]: https://github.com/stalwartlabs/jmap-server https://github.com/stalwartlabs/jmap-server

tankerkiller125 4y ago
Until Dovecot and systems like it support JMAP, I don't see it gaining the critical mass it needs to succeed.
- lucideer 4y ago
  Well I can't see Dovecot devs deciding to implement it if they keep reading comments like this dissuading the effort...
  - catiopatio 4y ago
    What advantage would they gain by implementing it?
    - lucideer 4y ago
      There's three considerations (a) is IMAP good / sufficient / fit for purpose (b) if not, is there a better alternative available (c) if there is, is it worth the development effort to support it. If we assume the answers to (a) & (b) are NO & JMAP, then the benefits are included in those answers & only question remaining is (c). The person I was replying to seemed to be only arguing that the answer to (c) is NO.
      - tracker1 4y ago
        (a) No (b) JMAP (c) Long term, probably.
- e12e 4y ago
  Cyrus is a system like dovecot?

StalwartLabs 4y ago

Mostly Fastmail but there are also a few open-source projects that support it https://jmap.io/software.html https://jmap.io/software.html

lucideer 4y ago

> what's the point of implementing something that is not used at all If this question made any sense we would never make anything new at all. How do you think new things get started?