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One reason is 3rd party software. Frequently there is a deb compatible with the last couple of ubu LTS releases. Seems like more frequently than Debian stable r

by harry8 4y ago

One reason is 3rd party software. Frequently there is a deb compatible with the last couple of ubu LTS releases. Seems like more frequently than Debian stable releases? There's always things you don't like, are not distro packaged, but have to install for reasons to get work done to get paid. Xilinx vivado being the first example for me that springs to mind but I'm sure there are others and I'm sure I don't know what the next one will be yet. I feel like when it crops up ubu LTS is a better bet than debian stable. I'd love to be shown to be wrong about that. Running with the crowd has some advantages. Many feet passing on the path before you trample more bugs before you get there etc. For anyone looking to use debian I highly recommend it and prefer it to any other distro.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
Additionally if I recall correctly, Ubuntu is one of the few distros that's set up to handle secure boot correctly out of the box (with the other I know to do this being Fedora). This is nice if you're dual booting Windows 11. It's also probably going to increase the Ubuntu's representation in desktop Linux by virtue of booting without any EFI setup tinkering, because a lot of people's patience ends exactly where things cease to work as expected.
- NegativeK 4y ago
  I dual boot with Windows 11 and Debian on a couple of systems and don't even notice secure boot.
JohnFen 4y ago
My problem with Ubuntu is that I can never get it to work right. Debian works right out of the box for me. (By "work right", I mean operate correctly -- I don't mean "work the way I want") Since there are so many people that don't have this problem, I understand that it's something I'm doing wrong -- but I have never been able to figure out what that is.
- loloquwowndueo 4y ago
  I started using Ubuntu for the opposite reason: getting compiz working on Debian was a nightmare, but on Ubuntu, desktop effects just worked. This was well over a decade ago though :)
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    But it sounds like you got Debian to work -- you just couldn't get compiz to work, which sucks. What I mean is that I can't get Ubuntu to work at all. On my luckiest tries, I've managed to get the desktop to show, but everything is still highly unstable and I've never pushed on to trying to install software. I used to think it was driver issues, except I've had similar symptoms on three different machines. And before people jump down my throat -- I'm not saying this is a problem with Ubuntu. I admit that I must be doing it wrong. But it's a showstopper deal for me anyway. Admittedly, the last time I tried was a few years back. Eventually, I just had to give up and move on with my life.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      That’s interesting, do you have unusual hardware? As a fairly begrudging Ubuntu user (I put it on a laptop because I didn’t want to screw around with finding drivers, memories of trying to get wifi working on Arch with some dongles haunt me), I have to say I don’t really like it much overall but they’ve got the “getting to the desktop” experience down pretty well.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        > do you have unusual hardware? No. I do tend to use old hardware, but tried it on a mainstream new laptop one time. On that, I couldn't get the WiFi to work with it. What baffles me is that on all of these machines, Debian works out of the box. In fact, Debian's never failed me on any of the many machines (including laptops) I've put it on. Ubuntu is based on Debian, so I can't explain the difference. As I said, it's been a while and perhaps they've fixed issues, but I've moved on. My life is no poorer for it. The only thing is that it means I can't recommend Ubuntu to people (not only because I wouldn't be able to support them if they have trouble, but what am I supposed to say? "I can't make it work, but use this!"?)
DoctorDabadedoo 4y ago
Spot on. In robotics it's pretty much the only standard framework there is and guess which one is the only distro with Tier 1 support? Yep.

by harry8 4y ago

kitsunesoba 4y ago

Additionally if I recall correctly, Ubuntu is one of the few distros that's set up to handle secure boot correctly out of the box (with the other I know to do this being Fedora). This is nice if you're dual booting Windows 11. It's also probably going to increase the Ubuntu's representation in desktop Linux by virtue of booting without any EFI setup tinkering, because a lot of people's patience ends exactly where things cease to work as expected.

NegativeK 4y ago
I dual boot with Windows 11 and Debian on a couple of systems and don't even notice secure boot.

JohnFen 4y ago

My problem with Ubuntu is that I can never get it to work right. Debian works right out of the box for me. (By "work right", I mean operate correctly -- I don't mean "work the way I want") Since there are so many people that don't have this problem, I understand that it's something I'm doing wrong -- but I have never been able to figure out what that is.

loloquwowndueo 4y ago
I started using Ubuntu for the opposite reason: getting compiz working on Debian was a nightmare, but on Ubuntu, desktop effects just worked. This was well over a decade ago though :)
- JohnFen 4y ago
  But it sounds like you got Debian to work -- you just couldn't get compiz to work, which sucks. What I mean is that I can't get Ubuntu to work at all. On my luckiest tries, I've managed to get the desktop to show, but everything is still highly unstable and I've never pushed on to trying to install software. I used to think it was driver issues, except I've had similar symptoms on three different machines. And before people jump down my throat -- I'm not saying this is a problem with Ubuntu. I admit that I must be doing it wrong. But it's a showstopper deal for me anyway. Admittedly, the last time I tried was a few years back. Eventually, I just had to give up and move on with my life.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    That’s interesting, do you have unusual hardware? As a fairly begrudging Ubuntu user (I put it on a laptop because I didn’t want to screw around with finding drivers, memories of trying to get wifi working on Arch with some dongles haunt me), I have to say I don’t really like it much overall but they’ve got the “getting to the desktop” experience down pretty well.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      > do you have unusual hardware? No. I do tend to use old hardware, but tried it on a mainstream new laptop one time. On that, I couldn't get the WiFi to work with it. What baffles me is that on all of these machines, Debian works out of the box. In fact, Debian's never failed me on any of the many machines (including laptops) I've put it on. Ubuntu is based on Debian, so I can't explain the difference. As I said, it's been a while and perhaps they've fixed issues, but I've moved on. My life is no poorer for it. The only thing is that it means I can't recommend Ubuntu to people (not only because I wouldn't be able to support them if they have trouble, but what am I supposed to say? "I can't make it work, but use this!"?)

DoctorDabadedoo 4y ago

Spot on. In robotics it's pretty much the only standard framework there is and guess which one is the only distro with Tier 1 support? Yep.