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If there are 150,000 results that match your keyword, which results show up first?

by bskap 4y ago

freejazz 4y ago
The most recent, the oldest, the closest match? That doesn't make it a recommendation system. Maybe try and read my post and make an effort to understand it rather than just responding with the first thing that comes to mind, because it is as if you have not understood my post at all and you seem to have not made any effort thereto.
- spaced-out 4y ago
  >The most recent, the oldest Do you not recognize how lousy of a video sharing website this would be? Spammers are going to be constantly uploading marketing and other low-quality content with irrelevant keywords, while users that actually put work into making good quality videos will see their results pushed to the bottom quickly. How will you deal with that without implementing a system that can identify and recommend non-spam videos? Even the oldest versions of Youtube were boosting videos that got lots of likes. >the closest match How is deciding the "closest match" not considered a recommendation? They all have the user's keyword, what other criteria will you use?
  - freejazz 4y ago
    >Do you not recognize how lousy of a video sharing website this would be? Spammers are going to be constantly uploading marketing and other low-quality content with irrelevant keywords, while users that actually put work into making good quality videos will see their results pushed to the bottom quickly. How will you deal with that without implementing a system that can identify and recommend non-spam videos? Even the oldest versions of Youtube were boosting videos that got lots of likes. Not sure why that's my problem, I'm not the one making money by promoting reactionary videos to reactionaries. >How is deciding the "closest match" not considered a recommendation? They all have the user's keyword, what other criteria will you use? Because it's not a recommendation, some are better matches than others, thats' all. Some match the entire keyword, some just parts, some in different places... I don't understand what is difficult about this for you.
    - bikezen 4y ago
      And what do you do when there's 10,000 exact keyword matches, how do you sort them? If it's newest the entire thing is just going to be spam accounts reposing the same video(s) on any major keyword. "top", or anything notable is also likely to be gamed and abused too, especially if you fuzz "top" sorting because then its not really neutral, you're deciding the order and therefore making a recommendation.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        Then there might be a circumstance where it is promoting something. Your point? The law shouldn't make this illegal because then YouTube would have to have greater regard for what it surfaces? I'm not sure that's a bad thing, that's the entire point of the thread.
        MichaelZuo 4y ago
        It obviously is a circumstance that is occurring every second of the day. Not some hypothetical 'might be'. The parent has a point.
        freejazz 4y ago
        My point wasn't the frequency of it but rather that it might be the case that some of YouTube's operations do work that way... so what? Is YouTube's convenience the point of law? No. So why does it matter?
    - spaced-out 4y ago
      >Not sure why that's my problem, I'm not the one making money by promoting reactionary videos to reactionaries. The reason I think we should see it as our problem is because I think the solution companies arrive at is just to turn the internet into cable TV, where only approved media organizations are able to share content because of liability concerns.
      - 4y ago
kelnos 4y ago
If the answer to that is "results that the search engine thinks is most relevant to you", then that's probably a recommendation engine. If the answer is "results that are most recent" or even "results that many people have watched", then that probably isn't a recommendation engine. You're acting like any kind of algorithm is automatically a recommendation engine that should terminate Section 230 protections, but I don't think it's that simple.

If there are 150,000 results that match your keyword, which results show up first?

by bskap 4y ago

If there are 150,000 results that match your keyword, which results show up first?

The most recent, the oldest, the closest match? That doesn't make it a recommendation system. Maybe try and read my post and make an effort to understand it rather than just responding with the first thing that comes to mind, because it is as if you have not understood my post at all and you seem to have not made any effort thereto.

spaced-out 4y ago
>The most recent, the oldest Do you not recognize how lousy of a video sharing website this would be? Spammers are going to be constantly uploading marketing and other low-quality content with irrelevant keywords, while users that actually put work into making good quality videos will see their results pushed to the bottom quickly. How will you deal with that without implementing a system that can identify and recommend non-spam videos? Even the oldest versions of Youtube were boosting videos that got lots of likes. >the closest match How is deciding the "closest match" not considered a recommendation? They all have the user's keyword, what other criteria will you use?
- freejazz 4y ago
  >Do you not recognize how lousy of a video sharing website this would be? Spammers are going to be constantly uploading marketing and other low-quality content with irrelevant keywords, while users that actually put work into making good quality videos will see their results pushed to the bottom quickly. How will you deal with that without implementing a system that can identify and recommend non-spam videos? Even the oldest versions of Youtube were boosting videos that got lots of likes. Not sure why that's my problem, I'm not the one making money by promoting reactionary videos to reactionaries. >How is deciding the "closest match" not considered a recommendation? They all have the user's keyword, what other criteria will you use? Because it's not a recommendation, some are better matches than others, thats' all. Some match the entire keyword, some just parts, some in different places... I don't understand what is difficult about this for you.
  - bikezen 4y ago
    And what do you do when there's 10,000 exact keyword matches, how do you sort them? If it's newest the entire thing is just going to be spam accounts reposing the same video(s) on any major keyword. "top", or anything notable is also likely to be gamed and abused too, especially if you fuzz "top" sorting because then its not really neutral, you're deciding the order and therefore making a recommendation.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Then there might be a circumstance where it is promoting something. Your point? The law shouldn't make this illegal because then YouTube would have to have greater regard for what it surfaces? I'm not sure that's a bad thing, that's the entire point of the thread.
      - MichaelZuo 4y ago
        It obviously is a circumstance that is occurring every second of the day. Not some hypothetical 'might be'. The parent has a point.
        freejazz 4y ago
        My point wasn't the frequency of it but rather that it might be the case that some of YouTube's operations do work that way... so what? Is YouTube's convenience the point of law? No. So why does it matter?
  - spaced-out 4y ago
    >Not sure why that's my problem, I'm not the one making money by promoting reactionary videos to reactionaries. The reason I think we should see it as our problem is because I think the solution companies arrive at is just to turn the internet into cable TV, where only approved media organizations are able to share content because of liability concerns.
    - 4y ago

kelnos 4y ago

If the answer to that is "results that the search engine thinks is most relevant to you", then that's probably a recommendation engine. If the answer is "results that are most recent" or even "results that many people have watched", then that probably isn't a recommendation engine. You're acting like any kind of algorithm is automatically a recommendation engine that should terminate Section 230 protections, but I don't think it's that simple.