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Organize and win

by cp9 4y ago

Organize and win

compiler-guy 4y ago
There is absolutely nothing inevitable about winning after organizing. It might help, maybe. But it also might send jobs overseas and to non union shops, just like Colorado and New Mexico have become havens for filming outside of Hollywood.
- VanTheBrand 4y ago
  The majority of filming that happens in Colorado and New Mexico is done by crews that belong to IATSE Union locals. Acted in by SAG-AFTRA members and written and directed by DGA and WGA members. You don’t know what you are talking about. Productions go to these states because they offer tax incentives not because they offer non-union labor. New Mexico: https://local480.com/ https://local480.com/ Colorado: https://iatse.net/local-union-directory/?_sfm_local_short_jurisdiction=CO https://iatse.net/local-union-directory/?_sfm_local_short_ju...
  - compiler-guy 4y ago
    I'm happy to concede the detail here--my mistake. I was misinformed about union movie labor in New Mexico and Colorado. I have revised my worldview. Nonetheless, firms move away from union labor where they can, to the point of relocating operations to do so. There is copious evidence of this.
jfengel 4y ago
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- paxys 4y ago
  In a 5-4 decision on party lines
  - nindalf 4y ago
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    - qqtt 4y ago
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      - vore 4y ago
        I think the parent is just saying John Roberts employs apoliticism as a smokescreen for the inherently political nature of the Supreme Court.
    - Tangurena2 4y ago
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      - Supermancho 4y ago
        Political: relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics. > anything you don't like (or is unlike you) is "political". As I understand the term, this is correct. Politics are a way of setting standards for parties who wish to negotiate resolution to disagreements in communities, or am I off base here?
        jfengel 4y ago
        As the term is used in this context, "political" is synonymous with "partisan". That is, rather than resolving specific disagreements within communities, it invokes the entire web of alliances and tradeoffs that bind members of a party together. The negotiation is tied to all of the other negotiations that people hold with each other, even if it's completely unrelated to the matter at hand, and independent of people's actual feelings about the matter. One is accused of "playing politics" when one's goals are perceived as applying to their longer-term partisan influences rather than this issue. They may, for example, play to one specific constituency who feels very strongly, even if the other constituencies feel the opposite way. Those other constituencies are assumed to not place as high a priority on it, and so tolerate going against their preferences.
mlindner 4y ago
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- mlindner 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    This breaks the site guideline against insinuating astroturfing or shillage - would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Btw I can assure you that there are plenty of legit HN users from the US among the ones making the arguments you're talking about. Also, the implied assumption in your comment that HN is an American site is not a good one—HN is highly international. Last I checked, about 50% of the community was posting from US IP addresses. Users in other countries are just as much part of the community and just as welcome here.
- adenozine 4y ago
  You might like to read about the Writers Guild in Hollywood. Highly organized, high salaries far surpassing even that of tech, with graduates in the top percentiles coming into 500k/yr salaries fresh out of graduation, all union.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    And the vast vast majority making nothing because they can’t get in.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    Yes when you can create a form of in-effect regulatory capture you can engage in monopolistic practices to gouge the customers via creating artificial scarcity. Movies continue to climb in costs. None of that applies to software development which is a global phenomena.
    - 4y ago

Organize and win

by cp9 4y ago

Organize and win

There is absolutely nothing inevitable about winning after organizing. It might help, maybe. But it also might send jobs overseas and to non union shops, just like Colorado and New Mexico have become havens for filming outside of Hollywood.

VanTheBrand 4y ago
The majority of filming that happens in Colorado and New Mexico is done by crews that belong to IATSE Union locals. Acted in by SAG-AFTRA members and written and directed by DGA and WGA members. You don’t know what you are talking about. Productions go to these states because they offer tax incentives not because they offer non-union labor. New Mexico: https://local480.com/ https://local480.com/ Colorado: https://iatse.net/local-union-directory/?_sfm_local_short_jurisdiction=CO https://iatse.net/local-union-directory/?_sfm_local_short_ju...
- compiler-guy 4y ago
  I'm happy to concede the detail here--my mistake. I was misinformed about union movie labor in New Mexico and Colorado. I have revised my worldview. Nonetheless, firms move away from union labor where they can, to the point of relocating operations to do so. There is copious evidence of this.

jfengel 4y ago

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paxys 4y ago
In a 5-4 decision on party lines
- nindalf 4y ago
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  - qqtt 4y ago
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    - vore 4y ago
      I think the parent is just saying John Roberts employs apoliticism as a smokescreen for the inherently political nature of the Supreme Court.
  - Tangurena2 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - Supermancho 4y ago
      Political: relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics. > anything you don't like (or is unlike you) is "political". As I understand the term, this is correct. Politics are a way of setting standards for parties who wish to negotiate resolution to disagreements in communities, or am I off base here?
      - jfengel 4y ago
        As the term is used in this context, "political" is synonymous with "partisan". That is, rather than resolving specific disagreements within communities, it invokes the entire web of alliances and tradeoffs that bind members of a party together. The negotiation is tied to all of the other negotiations that people hold with each other, even if it's completely unrelated to the matter at hand, and independent of people's actual feelings about the matter. One is accused of "playing politics" when one's goals are perceived as applying to their longer-term partisan influences rather than this issue. They may, for example, play to one specific constituency who feels very strongly, even if the other constituencies feel the opposite way. Those other constituencies are assumed to not place as high a priority on it, and so tolerate going against their preferences.

mlindner 4y ago

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mlindner 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  This breaks the site guideline against insinuating astroturfing or shillage - would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Btw I can assure you that there are plenty of legit HN users from the US among the ones making the arguments you're talking about. Also, the implied assumption in your comment that HN is an American site is not a good one—HN is highly international. Last I checked, about 50% of the community was posting from US IP addresses. Users in other countries are just as much part of the community and just as welcome here.
adenozine 4y ago
You might like to read about the Writers Guild in Hollywood. Highly organized, high salaries far surpassing even that of tech, with graduates in the top percentiles coming into 500k/yr salaries fresh out of graduation, all union.
- kortilla 4y ago
  And the vast vast majority making nothing because they can’t get in.
- mlindner 4y ago
  Yes when you can create a form of in-effect regulatory capture you can engage in monopolistic practices to gouge the customers via creating artificial scarcity. Movies continue to climb in costs. None of that applies to software development which is a global phenomena.
  - 4y ago