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If this were true, those roles wouldn't exist to begin with. Do you think perhaps there's a reason why those roles have come to be?
by jpswade 4y ago
If this were true, those roles wouldn't exist to begin with. Do you think perhaps there's a reason why those roles have come to be?
- unxdfa 4y agoYes they exist because it’s the status quo of corporate structure. I haven’t seen any evidence that adding these staff to a problem actually have a measurable impact on productivity, ROI or decrease organisational risk.
- gyrogearloose 4y ago"they exist because it’s the status quo of corporate structure" This is circular which may have been your point, but do you have a theory as to how they originated?
- lnsru 4y agoI have 5 different HR contacts: For vacation questions, for overtime regulation, for manual corrections of buggy time accounting software, for general questions and for payslip errors. Forgot new 6th one! For reporting sickness!! They exist and are very real and I must deal with that on daily basis. It’s hard to believe, but that how works big corp.
- parineum 4y agoYou request vacation, call in sick, work overtime, mess up your timesheet, don't get paid and have general HR queries every day?
- mathieuh 4y agoMy impression is that what happens sometimes is managers just keep hiring more and more managers, and then eventually someone twigs and suddenly there's a big cull of management. It's happened to companies I've been at a couple of times. You get to a point where there's two product managers and and a product owner per team, with like three or four engineers until someone realises.
- kqr 4y agoJust as bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy, so does management. There is a good way to do big management, but what usually happens is managers find themselves with time to spare and invent activities which do not directly add value, but eventually snowball into formidable tasks requiring more management.
- parineum 4y agoThat's true for government because they have no competition. In the corporate world, excessive bloat leads to stifled innovation and eventual irrelevance then bankruptcy. Sears could have been Amazon.
- recuter 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago> If this were true, those roles wouldn't exist to begin with. Oh sweet summer child. Though to be fair, HR expansion was triggered by the constitution replacement called the civil rights laws and the associated need to shield against discrimination lawsuits, so there is a real need for that.
- usrbinbash 4y agoBecause almost every complex system that includes facilities controlling its own complexities, has a tendency to increase the resources and structural complexity spent on that task. If this is not actively kept in check, such a system can deteriorate over time, by a positive-feedback loop of newly created controlling facilities created to control the increasing amount of facilities. This is not to say that managing roles are not required. Of course they are. Complex systems need control. But the proliferation of that control needs to be kept in check, otherwise, the mechanism that is initially helpful (creating structure to control complexity), will become a problem by creating additional complexity of its own.