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Microsoft Teams is getting big performance improvements next month
- rqtwteye 4y agoI bet they will move around a lot of buttons and mess up the last features that actually work. I feel like they work really hard on messing up a feature with every release.
- nocsi 4y agoThe secret to using teams is to run the webapp version in a dedicated browser instance like chrome or brave. Then if I have calls/meetings, I switch over to taking it on an iPad. For those that have to sign into multiple tenants/orgs. I keep a native client running in a vm somewhere
- beached_whale 4y agoI do this too, but open the Teams app for calls.
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- rektide 4y agoMulti-account-support keeps being the thing that web versions of apps just wont do. It's such a frustratingly petty & shallow limitation. Firefox's Multi-Account-Containers could concievably be the reagent, the fix, but it lacks so much fit & finish. Getting things opening in the right container has been a struggle. There's been zero positive activity from Firefox in 5+ years.
- worg 4y agoThe temporary containers Addon has helped me with this, you can assign/exclude patterns or subdomais besides the unusual redirect dance when doing some SAML auth on a new app it works fine
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- mroche 4y agoComment on the page point to a few GitHub issues for macOS and Linux support. Linux: https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645#issuecomment-1426222120 https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/645... > Hey all - We don't currently have a timeline for when we would begin this work. Unfortunately it's very unlikely to be soon. macOS: https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/1314#issuecomment-1377658713 https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/131... > No updates since @ningccn's comment above. We are continuing to make progress on Mac and haven't begun Linux planning yet.
- wkat4242 4y agoI'm surprised they even mention WebView2 for Linux. Because they already deprecated the Linux version of teams and building a PWA instead which runs in the user's browser not in a WebView
- rektide 4y agoWell, that actually sounds ok/more than great! These people who trust the Slack app... I dont get it. The native experience is not really better. When I run things on the web, I know there is a lot more trustability, and in the case of many app, the overhead will be lower (which I wish they could fixed with shared lib WebViews, but oh, it's os dependent... maybe you should run the web directly instead of trying to native? (but woe that no one has done good cross-platform webbrowser dynamic lib yet)).
- shaunsingh0207 4y agoI recently switched to linux part-time and I haven't found an electron app thats better than its web PWA counterpart. Discord, slack, and spotify specifically seem to run much better in the browser. On macOS I wouldn't dare run discord in the browser because then I lose quite a few features, but on Linux those features aren't supported at all anyways!
- obert 4y agoif they dont fix it on MacOS and Linux they’ll keep getting bad feedback. The whole point of using web tech is being cross platform, looks like they don’t get it
- abnry 4y agoThey took away full screen viewing of someone's shared screen on the browser version. I only use the browser because I run ubuntu. It really sucks now to have someone try and show you their code.
- nicolas-siplis 4y agoI _think_ it still works as expected if you enter fullscreen mode from the browser itself, unless I'm misremembering.
- AtomicOrbital 4y agoTeams linux client is possibly the buggiest application I have used ever ... a close second is perhaps vscode linux client
- berkut 4y agoSaveAs dialog appearing in the background in VSCode (https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/146422 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/146422) is insanely annoying...
- wkat4242 4y agoI get this in vscodium on FreeBSD too with KDE.. really annoying indeed, the first few times I thought it just crashed.
- RedShift1 4y agoIt's just as buggy on Windows -_-
- maximus-decimus 4y agoHow is vscode buggy for you on Linux? The only problem I've had with it is that it (and chrome itself) take tens of seconds to show anything when I log into my account using i3wm on Ubuntu.
- ksec 4y agoSo they are moving from Electron to Webview2. Basically saving memory and CPU resources by sharing WebView 2 runtime which is default on Windows 11. Doesn’t sounds like a big improvement to me at all.
- culopatin 4y agoOnly Win 11? Isn’t everyone on win 10?
- selcuka 4y agoAutomatically updated on Windows 10 [1] as well. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-auto-installing-the-windows-10-webview2-runtime/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is...
- wkat4242 4y agoIndeed. WebView is based on edge which is based on chrome just like electron. And react is a framework in JavaScript which they are claiming it will replace. None of this makes sense.
- presentation 4y agoI think what they mean is that there’s been an ongoing effort for Microsoft to migrate Teams from 1) Electron to Webview2, and 2) Angular to React, though as far as I can tell this has been going on for at least a year. Journalist probably just isn’t actually technical, but either way Microsoft wants to hint that this is a significant release and performance can be expected to improve. As for whether or not Teams will still suck… I guess we’ll find out.
- lizard 4y agoI'm not particularly familiar with Electron and WebView2, but even the Electron blog suggest that WebView2 uses some different IPC formats that can be faster[1]. Considering a big selling point of Teams is as a hub for other Microsoft products, and other plugins, it doesn't seem unreasonable that improvements to the IPC would translate to better performance for Teams, in at least many of the expected usecases. [1]: https://www.electronjs.org/blog/webview2/#performance-discussion https://www.electronjs.org/blog/webview2/#performance-discus...
- Vitamin_Sushi 4y agoThis should've been the chance for M$ to finally start dogfooding MAUI. I guess even they decided MAUI is DOA.
- mattfrommars 4y agoExactly this. If Microsoft does not believe in the project MAUI, why bother asking developers to use it? Utterly pointless!
- Mountain_Skies 4y agoThere's been a holy war going on inside Microsoft for at least a decade over XAML based UI versus web based UI. The web groups keep winning those fights. Microsoft isn't a monolith, it's a battlefield and some of that spills out to the rest of the world, often with developers getting stuck in the crossfire.
- rektide 4y agoVery well said. I've upvoted everyone in the chain here, but I think MS should stop believing in MAUI. The web is the universal target, for many reasons, many of them good, but more so, MS should actively not be swimming against the tide. They vant deliver as well & as far, & it will cost them face when they try & dont match up.
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- gigel82 4y agoConsidering they're trying to make apps for teams happen, I doubt MAUI was ever an option. All the "app" thingies are web anyway so they'd be littering WebViews all over the place (which is arguably worse than one big WebView).
- yasing 4y agomultiple account support!
- NovemberWhiskey 4y agoTeams: [ping] Me: Sees notification, clicks Teams: See this room with no new message? Me: ... Teams: Imma have you wait a bit. Teams: OK, here's the new message.
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- flyinglizard 4y agoSlack does this too. These are multi, multi billion dollar enterprises; there’s no excuse to this. Especially when something like Telegram does this an order of magnitude better.
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- jiayo 4y agoMy (big5 .ca) bank does this too. The absolute worst. 3:42am, me still up for some reason Notification: A withdrawal was made Me: What? At this hour? <clicks> Bank app: Face ID and/or secret question dance Bank app: Spinner Bank app: You don't have any notifications I've had to train myself to wait 15 minutes before clicking on any withdrawal/deposit notifications.
- kyriakos 4y agoLucky if you see the message. There's an annoying bug where sometimes if you continue a conversation on mobile then return to desktop, the messages sent on mobile don't show up on desktop unless you manually delete teams cache files, databases and then restart it.
- rl3 4y agoHopefully this isn't too tangential, but since we're on the topic: What's the current state of privacy in Teams? Specifically calls and meetings. Obviously operating under the assumption that everything you say whilst on company-managed infra is potentially or even likely subject to recording is sound practice, but I do have curiosities. Microsoft is heavily invested in both consumer spaces and cloud, so they walk an interesting line with respect to user privacy in the workplace and guarantees thereof. My read is that compliance recording (as opposed to normal recording) still requires mandatory user notification.[0][1] That's good. The lawful intercept functionality of course doesn't. I've heard third-party integrations can initiate recording, albeit with requisite notifications still in place. Is this accurate, or are there scumbag third-party compliance solutions that somehow manage to bypass things? Based on other comments here, the Linux client appears to be the most privacy-focused insofar that it's too broken to function. :-) [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-recording-policy https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-recor... [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/cloud-recording https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/cloud-recor...
- shmerl 4y agoDo 1:1 calls work in Firefox there?
- rickstanley 4y ago2023 and we still don't have a simple 1:1 calls, but we have group calls available... Go figure. The phrase: "hold on, let change to {insert chromium based browser} real quick to call you", has become usual for me.
- bastard_op 4y agoUsing Teams as a Linux user is a nightmare, and continues to be. Now microsoft doesn't know if they want to continue to persist forcing Electron garbage down people's throats, or fall back to the web version, which is equally terrible. Latest, they try to push people away from electron version to web client in a browser (edge only works right of course!), and the web is still as broken as it ever was under firefox or chrome. Last month my current customer announced they're tracking everything said on teams to threaten who to fire, so now even less people use it now for fear of layoffs. Hooray for big brother! Teams is still a shitshow, I just feel bad for the monkeys that are stuck using teams, the most anti-social service ever employees fear to use.
- racked 4y agoRunning it in Chromium works fine for me, also for meetings.
- foepys 4y agoUsing Teams on Windows is also a nightmare. Slow as molasses, highjacking global keyboard shortcuts, bugs galore, and bad UX.
- cyberge99 4y agoAt least you have keyboard shortcuts. On macos you don’t get anything that isn’t a menu item.
- midoridensha 4y ago>Last month my current customer announced they're tracking everything said on teams to threaten who to fire, so now even less people use it now for fear of layoffs. Hooray for big brother! This doesn't sound like a problem with Teams so much as a problem with that company's management. However, look at the bright side: this company has loudly told their employers that they should start looking for a new job now instead of waiting for the axe to drop later.
- throwaway892238 4y agoIs it getting big usability improvements? Consistency improvements? Stop-fucking-up-and-making-everything-terrible improvements? Because I'd like those more than performance improvements. It's genuinely amazing how some of the richest companies in the world can't manage to make a chat program or video conferencing program worth a damn, in 2023. We were supposed to have flying cars like two decades ago, but we can't even share video and text over residential internet connections faster than some ISPs' backbones used to be, on computers the size of your hand with more processing power than old supercomputers.
- midoridensha 4y ago>It's genuinely amazing how some of the richest companies in the world can't manage to make a chat program or video conferencing program worth a damn, in 2023. What are you talking about? I use Facebook Messenger's video chat regularly, and it works great. I've also used Zoom many times, and it also works great. Both of these are on Linux, BTW (FBM is through the browser). Just because Microsoft's offering is a dumpster fire (as usual) doesn't mean everything else is too.
- kortilla 4y agoAre they going to fix how the misery of threads in public channels compared to private chats costs the economy cumulatively billions of dollars in communications overhead? It baffles my mind how many times we’ve lost good explanations, duplicated debugging work, and made information impossible to search for others because it’s more pleasant to put it in a private chat with 8 people than deal with the misery of the motherfucking auto-collapsing threads in regular rooms.
- kyriakos 4y agoWe have up on public teams chats and use them only for alerts by bots. They aren't just badly designed but we found that some users no matter how many times you explain it to them don't understand the concept of threads and create a new one with every message they send.
- petilon 4y agoTeams is adequate, gets the job done, but it is not great. You use it because you have to not because you love it. The dichotomy between Chat and Teams seems arbitrary. The biggest miss is search. So much data is trapped inside Teams. If Teams had instant search that worked as well as the Search box at the bottom of Hacker News that would be a killer feature.
- Semaphor 4y ago> The biggest miss is search. Hey, at least the search finds stuff since a few months. Before that, a search would show exact results, with no way whatsoever to show the context of the result, making it utterly useless. It’s not a great search, but I’m just happy I can find things at all, now.
- liketochill 4y agoI’m actually happy that any chat message in teams is pretty much gone forever as soon as is it off the screen. It keeps people from using it for anything other than one off questions.
- Gigachad 4y agoTeams is a good argument for anti monopoly laws. We have so many superb messaging apps and yet we all have to use one that is only just considered usable.
- agarren 4y agoAmen. Searching chat history is a uniquely horrible experience. I’d like to search for a word or phrase and see not just the single chat response it appears in, but some context around it. As it stands I’ve found myself searching for a phrase, noting the date on which it occurred, then finding the chat/discussion and scrolling up to that date.
- soulofmischief 4y agoIt would be funny if this is part of a PR deflection campaign because of the Bing chat fiasco, and they end up pushing it out before it's ready and it also gets roasted. Cascading failure of management.
- sheepscreek 4y agoI hope they fix issues on macos. It blows up my M1 MacBook Pro’s battery life. Their threads seem to lock the UX under heavy processing, with video/app stuttering and frames being dropped. Zoom on the other hand no issues whatsoever. Similarly, Slack (which is also electron based, or used to be) runs well too.
- midoridensha 4y agoObviously, you need to get rid of your MacBook and buy a Microsoft Surface. /s
- sheepscreek 4y agoIt didn’t hit me until you said it. Is this corporate dickery? Not in this case, sadly. Teams is a resource hog anywhere - Windows including. At least macOS on M1 chip gets a spectacular battery life even with Teams.
- amir734jj 4y agoI had a chance to preview/test this upcoming release. Its a major positive improvement. It doesn't change the UI but improves the performance to the point that Teams becomes like early version of Slack from 2019
- znpy 4y agoDidn’t they drop linux support recently? One step forward, two backwards?
- darthrupert 4y agoTeams is so bad I based my most recent job search on this. I had three prospects, one of them was using Google, other two Microsoft for the interview. I chose the ones who used Google. Not only for superficial reasons but for having the sense to pick out a better toolset. So far it seems to have been the right canary to pick. They still use Slack for text-based communication, though. Nothing seems to have beaten it yet. Perhaps Matrix could if their 2023 wishes come true.
- plaguepilled 4y agoI feel like, if tech workers were ever to properly unionize, it would be to force employers to not use fucking Microsoft Teams.
- h05sz487b 4y agoWill this be on mac OS too?