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Why isn’t the solution raising native English birth rates?

gadders 4y ago
Imported labour is cheaper.
vidarh 4y ago
If you know a reliable way of doing so without imposing poverty or massive authoritarianism there are dozens of governments which would pay vast amounts of money for your expertise.
- dumpsterlid 4y ago
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- zmgsabst 4y ago
  I don’t think that’s true, but if any actually are, I’m happy to help for a moderate fee plus costs. What I see though are governments which oppress their people to the point of illness, the way abused animals stop procreating — and then rather than confront that behavior in themselves, buy replacements they subsequently abuse the same way.
  - vidarh 4y ago
    Not a single country has found a working method, despite attempts at extending welfare, and extensive financial benefits. But ignoring that, the end result is the same whether people can't or won't figure out how to do it: immigration is an increasing necessity, and as more and more countries tip below replacement it will lead to increasingly desperate measures to compete for it. With respect to oppression, the two most consistent factors correlating with falling birth rates is higher education and increased wealth.
orwin 4y ago
I'll be cynic, but basically this: A manual laborer start to get productive at 16, and stop after 50, depending on his form. So basically, you avoid paying for his education, he is productive right away, and with some luck, he will retire in his country (or the state may deport him) and die there. Not saying it's good, but that's the way the world work right now.
- nixlim 4y ago
  You would be surprised, but that was the plan in 50s and 70s, when we got a people from Pakistan and South East Asia to come to work in the factories. They did not go back and settled here. The actual result is that they stay here and bring their families and contribute. Which is great, in my opinion.

Imported labour is cheaper.

If you know a reliable way of doing so without imposing poverty or massive authoritarianism there are dozens of governments which would pay vast amounts of money for your expertise.

dumpsterlid 4y ago
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zmgsabst 4y ago
I don’t think that’s true, but if any actually are, I’m happy to help for a moderate fee plus costs. What I see though are governments which oppress their people to the point of illness, the way abused animals stop procreating — and then rather than confront that behavior in themselves, buy replacements they subsequently abuse the same way.
- vidarh 4y ago
  Not a single country has found a working method, despite attempts at extending welfare, and extensive financial benefits. But ignoring that, the end result is the same whether people can't or won't figure out how to do it: immigration is an increasing necessity, and as more and more countries tip below replacement it will lead to increasingly desperate measures to compete for it. With respect to oppression, the two most consistent factors correlating with falling birth rates is higher education and increased wealth.

orwin 4y ago

I'll be cynic, but basically this: A manual laborer start to get productive at 16, and stop after 50, depending on his form. So basically, you avoid paying for his education, he is productive right away, and with some luck, he will retire in his country (or the state may deport him) and die there. Not saying it's good, but that's the way the world work right now.

nixlim 4y ago
You would be surprised, but that was the plan in 50s and 70s, when we got a people from Pakistan and South East Asia to come to work in the factories. They did not go back and settled here. The actual result is that they stay here and bring their families and contribute. Which is great, in my opinion.