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Even if Russia withdrew its forces, they would still have the potential to attack again. So the the choice is really between pursuing a compromise now, or losin
by Tycho 4y ago
Even if Russia withdrew its forces, they would still have the potential to attack again. So the the choice is really between pursuing a compromise now, or losing perhaps a million troops trying to weaken Russia’s future negotiating position by retaking separatist territories (and probably failing to do so).
- bloppe 4y agoThe last time they tried to "compromise" was called the Minsk accords, and Putin quickly taught the Ukrainians an important lesson about trusting anything he says. Compromise is simply not an option. Unfortunately, the only options are victory or defeat. The vast majority of Ukrainians are very clear eyed about this.
- ihatepython 4y agoMerkel has stated that the West had no intention of honoring the Minsk agreement. The purpose was to buy time for Ukraine to build up its army. The West negotiated in bad faith.
- bsjaux628 4y agoWho is invading who again? If the west knew that Russia wouldn't honor any agreement and prepared for their inevitable attack I don't how is that 'in bad faith', they were right after all
- ihatepython 4y agoI would say that technically the US invaded Ukraine by installing a subservient government after the ousting of Yanukovich. This is why Hunter Biden's laptop was buried as much as possible, it would reveal the connections and the financial interests. If Putin truly wanted to conquer Ukraine, he would have taken out the electricity and water supply, things of that nature. This is not Ukraine vs Russia, this is the US/NATO vs Russia
- _kbh_ 4y ago> If Putin truly wanted to conquer Ukraine, he would have taken out the electricity and water supply, things of that nature. This is exactly what Putin is doing. > This is not Ukraine vs Russia, this is the US/NATO vs Russia If this was _actually_ US/NATO vs Russia the war would be over in a matter of months.
- nradov 4y agoThat isn't a compromise, it's just delaying the inevitable. The Ukrainians can decide for themselves how much they're willing to sacrifice. As long as they're willing to fight we should give them whatever weapons they need. The more Russian soldiers they kill, the better it is for all NATO members. Bleed the Russian Empire to death.
- Tycho 4y agoYou say they can decide for themselves, but in reality the troops are conscripted and forced to fight at the behest of the leadership or its suzerain. Massive agency problem.
- nradov 4y agoNot at all. Ukraine is a democracy. If the troops didn't want to be conscripted then they should have voted for leaders who favored appeasement and surrender.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoThis is called appeasement. It did not worked in 1930s, it is not going to work today.
- ilammy 4y agoThe goal of WW2 appeasement was not avoiding war but gaining enough time to prepare for the inevitable. It worked well enough for Britain.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoDid not really worked out for France. And they had opportunities to end the war before it even started * When Rheinland was reoccupied and they did nothing * When Austria was annexed and they did nothing * When Poland was attacked and all German armies were in the east and they did, basically nothing.