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I feel like there may be more Emacs Lisp being written recently than other Lisps and prose about Lisp combined.

by owl57 4y ago

convolvatron 4y ago
which is a terrible shame and a lesson. of the 10 or so lisp like languages i've used extensively, elisp is by far the worst. it succeeds because it interfaces with something important, and its carried along everywhere.
- asyd 4y ago
  I agree, but I'm grateful that it exists. After much searching for the perfect languages and perfect tools (while using emacs as a simple text editor), it finally dawned on me that Emacs itself is as close as I'd get to a lisp machine right here in my own back yard. A lisp machine that sits quite nicely on top of linux/unix and plays very nicely with it. There's much that I love about the lisp world, and the author does a great job of articulating the reasons why. There's also much that I love about the unix philosophy. Emacs is a bridge between these two worlds that I love, and I'm old enough now not to give a shit (or need to give a shit) what the rest of the world is doing. This is home.
- pxc 4y ago
  It's the lesson of JavaScript as well, famously.
- throwawaysalome 4y ago
  which is a terrible shame and a lesson What's the lesson? That a text editor's extension language needs the strong concurrency and immutability models of a Clojure or sbcl? Getting emacs to sit and roll over doesn't exactly require an industrial grade language.
- jimbokun 4y ago
  It reflects the beauty of the Emacs design, Taft something written decades ago is still being extended today to completely new use cases, because of the dynamic and flexible Lisp engine interacting with the C core.
danuker 4y ago
> more Emacs Lisp being written recently Do you mean since hitting rock bottom in June 2021? https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07&end=2023-01&pages=Emacs https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&plat...
- ravi-delia 4y ago
  Is this the best marker of Elisp being written? Perhaps I don't get what this is analyzing, but I suspect that it is the newcomers that write the least Elisp, and my impression is that packages are popping up and updating much quicker as of late
rwilson4 4y ago
That's me! My primary language is python, but after that I write more elisp than anything else.

I feel like there may be more Emacs Lisp being written recently than other Lisps and prose about Lisp combined.

by owl57 4y ago

I feel like there may be more Emacs Lisp being written recently than other Lisps and prose about Lisp combined.

which is a terrible shame and a lesson. of the 10 or so lisp like languages i've used extensively, elisp is by far the worst. it succeeds because it interfaces with something important, and its carried along everywhere.

asyd 4y ago
I agree, but I'm grateful that it exists. After much searching for the perfect languages and perfect tools (while using emacs as a simple text editor), it finally dawned on me that Emacs itself is as close as I'd get to a lisp machine right here in my own back yard. A lisp machine that sits quite nicely on top of linux/unix and plays very nicely with it. There's much that I love about the lisp world, and the author does a great job of articulating the reasons why. There's also much that I love about the unix philosophy. Emacs is a bridge between these two worlds that I love, and I'm old enough now not to give a shit (or need to give a shit) what the rest of the world is doing. This is home.
pxc 4y ago
It's the lesson of JavaScript as well, famously.
throwawaysalome 4y ago
which is a terrible shame and a lesson What's the lesson? That a text editor's extension language needs the strong concurrency and immutability models of a Clojure or sbcl? Getting emacs to sit and roll over doesn't exactly require an industrial grade language.
jimbokun 4y ago
It reflects the beauty of the Emacs design, Taft something written decades ago is still being extended today to completely new use cases, because of the dynamic and flexible Lisp engine interacting with the C core.

danuker 4y ago

> more Emacs Lisp being written recently Do you mean since hitting rock bottom in June 2021? https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07&end=2023-01&pages=Emacs https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&plat...

ravi-delia 4y ago
Is this the best marker of Elisp being written? Perhaps I don't get what this is analyzing, but I suspect that it is the newcomers that write the least Elisp, and my impression is that packages are popping up and updating much quicker as of late

rwilson4 4y ago

That's me! My primary language is python, but after that I write more elisp than anything else.