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Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any pr

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

Ambolia 4y ago
Those thousands won't get blamed personally if it fails. But Musk will be.
- karaterobot 4y ago
  Well okay, that's true, but they would lose their jobs and not have billions of dollars to fall back on. So there is a strong personal element for them. In the classic pigs/chickens formulation, Elon is closer to the chicken side — he's got other companies to devote time to.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  What are you talking about, CEOs take no responsebility. Look at any recent disasters caused by companies, such as recent train crash with a toxic spill, boeing Max scandal, BP oil spill, 2008, anything. Where has the CEO been personally punished? Or does your idea of 'blamed' mean people will write something mean on twitter? the press announce ment where CEO of Boeing took full responsebility for Boeing Max failure, CEOs of major banks took reaponsebility for 2008,
  - concordDance 4y ago
    Being blamed has nothing to do with taking responsibility. In this case, being blamed means that everyone will attribute the failure to him personally and say more nasty things about him and people will stop investing in his companies. It would probably also quarter his net worth.
- palata 4y ago
  Sure. I guess just like Musk got blamed personally for his screw up with Twitter employees all over the world? He did a whole bunch of illegal stuff there, I'm still waiting to see consequences.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    If they were actually illegal then we should see some settlements or court cases resolved over the next year or three. The justice system moves slowly.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      Illegal or not, he faced no consequences for the screw up
    - palata 4y ago
      He'll get fines ("settlements", I guess), and that will still have been cheaper than going the legal way. In the meantime many people lost their job in an irregular way (w.r.t. their country), and maybe they can't afford it. That's how much responsibilities too rich people have: it's cheaper for them to go the illegal way and screw those who worked for them.
      - concordDance 4y ago
        The fines will be handed out in such a way that obeying the law would have been cheaper. That's how things are done in Western Europe.
        palata 4y ago
        That's how it's supposed to be. I doubt it really is in practice (at least not always). Let me rephrase it to what I think is the reality: "The fines will be handed out in such a way that obeying the law would have been cheaper as estimated by people who don't really have a way to know." -> That's how lobbying works: people on both sides argue, and some rule decides for something in the middle. It's not exactly a formal proof.
echelon 4y ago
> Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people. You named the reason. Another is that Musk is incredibly high profile. High profile individuals accrete accolades and renown. If you don't like it, stop working for someone else and build your own startup. (I mean this in the sense of encouragement.)
cypress66 4y ago
Meh. It's like when the title says "X's wife". Yes, it's a bit demeaning, but that extra context is often useful to those who are new to the topic.
frankreyes 4y ago
Steve Jobs iPhone you mean?
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Larry Ellison's Java
- Zigurd 4y ago
  It is now, and that matters.
Kukumber 4y ago
It's propaganda, the US want to make sure it's clear to you that it's not an army project but "musk's project", a bit like how they did with google They are good at it https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...
dotnet00 4y ago
Yeah, it's always weird to see. I get that it's probably SEO related, still seems so dumb. Even ignoring the contribution of the employees, it's just a weird way to phrase it. Especially in articles like these, since the EU isn't doing this in response to Musk specifically owning Starlink, it's doing it in response to Starlink not being European. The other day I saw an article referring to Twitter as "Musk's Twitter" which was even weirder because IIRC none of the content of the article was actually about Musk.
solarkraft 4y ago
It doesn't annoy me all that much because that's how things are always framed. Owner/driving force is exactly what matters.
renewiltord 4y ago
Yeah but I thought Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri was a great game.
kortilla 4y ago
Because a lot of people get triggered by Elon Musk so anything introducing a competitor is incentivized to remind everyone of Musk’s involvement.

Ambolia 4y ago

Those thousands won't get blamed personally if it fails. But Musk will be.

karaterobot 4y ago
Well okay, that's true, but they would lose their jobs and not have billions of dollars to fall back on. So there is a strong personal element for them. In the classic pigs/chickens formulation, Elon is closer to the chicken side — he's got other companies to devote time to.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
What are you talking about, CEOs take no responsebility. Look at any recent disasters caused by companies, such as recent train crash with a toxic spill, boeing Max scandal, BP oil spill, 2008, anything. Where has the CEO been personally punished? Or does your idea of 'blamed' mean people will write something mean on twitter? the press announce ment where CEO of Boeing took full responsebility for Boeing Max failure, CEOs of major banks took reaponsebility for 2008,
- concordDance 4y ago
  Being blamed has nothing to do with taking responsibility. In this case, being blamed means that everyone will attribute the failure to him personally and say more nasty things about him and people will stop investing in his companies. It would probably also quarter his net worth.
palata 4y ago
Sure. I guess just like Musk got blamed personally for his screw up with Twitter employees all over the world? He did a whole bunch of illegal stuff there, I'm still waiting to see consequences.
- concordDance 4y ago
  If they were actually illegal then we should see some settlements or court cases resolved over the next year or three. The justice system moves slowly.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Illegal or not, he faced no consequences for the screw up
  - palata 4y ago
    He'll get fines ("settlements", I guess), and that will still have been cheaper than going the legal way. In the meantime many people lost their job in an irregular way (w.r.t. their country), and maybe they can't afford it. That's how much responsibilities too rich people have: it's cheaper for them to go the illegal way and screw those who worked for them.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      The fines will be handed out in such a way that obeying the law would have been cheaper. That's how things are done in Western Europe.
      - palata 4y ago
        That's how it's supposed to be. I doubt it really is in practice (at least not always). Let me rephrase it to what I think is the reality: "The fines will be handed out in such a way that obeying the law would have been cheaper as estimated by people who don't really have a way to know." -> That's how lobbying works: people on both sides argue, and some rule decides for something in the middle. It's not exactly a formal proof.

echelon 4y ago

> Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people. You named the reason. Another is that Musk is incredibly high profile. High profile individuals accrete accolades and renown. If you don't like it, stop working for someone else and build your own startup. (I mean this in the sense of encouragement.)

cypress66 4y ago

Meh. It's like when the title says "X's wife". Yes, it's a bit demeaning, but that extra context is often useful to those who are new to the topic.

frankreyes 4y ago

Steve Jobs iPhone you mean?

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

Larry Ellison's Java

Zigurd 4y ago
It is now, and that matters.

Kukumber 4y ago

It's propaganda, the US want to make sure it's clear to you that it's not an army project but "musk's project", a bit like how they did with google They are good at it https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

dotnet00 4y ago

Yeah, it's always weird to see. I get that it's probably SEO related, still seems so dumb. Even ignoring the contribution of the employees, it's just a weird way to phrase it. Especially in articles like these, since the EU isn't doing this in response to Musk specifically owning Starlink, it's doing it in response to Starlink not being European. The other day I saw an article referring to Twitter as "Musk's Twitter" which was even weirder because IIRC none of the content of the article was actually about Musk.

solarkraft 4y ago

It doesn't annoy me all that much because that's how things are always framed. Owner/driving force is exactly what matters.

renewiltord 4y ago

Yeah but I thought Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri was a great game.

kortilla 4y ago

Because a lot of people get triggered by Elon Musk so anything introducing a competitor is incentivized to remind everyone of Musk’s involvement.