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To be honest, I kinda feel AI porn is actually more ethical than the current porn industry. Much like written or drawn porn, it does not rely on the objectifica

To be honest, I kinda feel AI porn is actually more ethical than the current porn industry. Much like written or drawn porn, it does not rely on the objectification of actual people. Instead it can fill a niche without hurting anyone. There is the problem of it replacing real jobs, but this is not unique to the field. The main problem, in my eyes, is AI porn that mimics real people. This is the main place I'd like to see some real restriction.

Reason077 4y ago
Porn actors may feel differently if it’s their jobs/livelihoods at stake.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  Most porn actors are young girls doing it a few times (as they are required to do more extreme things to stay relevant) and being seen forever. They also don't think about how easy it will be to identify them in the future as face recognition/matching gets even cheaper.
  - everyone 4y ago
    I'm wondering is "being seen forever" as big of a deal as it used to be? If you have nudes somewhere on the internet does anyone actually give a shit?
    - xiphias2 4y ago
      Nudes and porn are very different things. Also the answer is yes, there are people who actually give a shit about who they marry / date / hire for work
      - paulryanrogers 4y ago
        > there are people who actually give a shit about who they marry / date / hire for work So are those who are not offended that their employee did some nude modeling or sex work are... careless or inconsiderate in some way? Should hiring or dating include some kind of background check based on puritanical definitions of "moral character"? Perhaps people who think that way should wear some kind of scarlet letter. That way I can be sure they'll never be involved in my hiring pipeline.
        xiphias2 4y ago
        I don't know what ,,should'' happen, there have been many firing because of sex work related reasons. Also those background checks won't be the official reason these people won't get hired, it's always easy to create an alternative reason, just how it works with agism, sexism and racism.
        majikaja 4y ago
        I don't think most porn stars care about getting rejected by FAANG If they cared about their reputation, they wouldn't be porn stars
        paulryanrogers 4y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. When I read "actually give a shit" it suggests to me that the writer thinks those who aren't concerned have committed some moral failure.
  - more_corn 4y ago
    Your use of the word “girls” implies that the subjects are under the age of legal consent which would classify what you’re talking about as child sex abuse material not porn. If you’re talking about porn you’re talking about people of legal age to consent. Making them women. The difference between those two words is night and day. Legally, ethically and in terms of classification. In this discussion your choice of words is very important.
- bloqs 4y ago
  There are a small handful of true career porn stars, most do their stint and get out within a couple of years
- fxj 4y ago
  maybe thats good for them to find a job where they are not judged by their look and their ability to take c*k
  - cykros 4y ago
    Definitely, just like it's good for coal miners to be out of that awful line of work -- they seem really happy about it down in West Virginia. While we're at it, we should free up software developers to no longer have to have jobs where their body is on the line, with high rates of scoliosis and carpal tunnel too. Taking away someone's livelihood without readily having an alternative to immediately substitute is rarely something you're going to be thanked for. There are absolutely abusive porn studios, but there's also a good portion of cottage industry "amateur" porn that's popped up in recent years, where the only "boss" is a site taking their overhead cost for hosting and distribution. Not that I take issue with the march of progress here. Just saying that someone will be better off without their job is a bit off.
ilkke 4y ago
I agree with the core sentiment, but not the "without hurting anyone" part. Porn addiction (and its consequences) has been the elephant in the room for a while.
- nathias 4y ago
  the substance of the addiction isn't hurting anyone, addicts are hurting themselves and need help to stop
- devonkim 4y ago
  Porn addiction while real is possibly overblown or under-discussed depending upon the social circles. Like anything human made it can be used for therapeutic purposes or abused depending upon both the intent and consumer base. I think we can all agree that higher quality human relationships should certainly take priority over any form of hedonism or escapism but it’s increasingly difficult for a looser society to find the conditions requisite for such essential relationships to develop organically. Moreover, we can potentially view addictions in general as more of a symptom than a cause of failed relationships and our increasingly tenuous social fabric.
- charlieyu1 4y ago
  Porn has been around for generations.
Proven 4y ago
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acer4666 4y ago
How do you get your training data if no-one has been objectified in the supply pipeline?
- ThinkBeat 4y ago
  It depends on how you define ethical / exploitation. There is a ginormous set of data available to nearly everyone for free. (one way or another) that would provide enormous training input. If instead you focus on the fact that people were objektives during the making of the porn in the first place then the equatino changes. In one case it would stop future objectification.
CommanderData 4y ago
> Instead it can fill a niche without hurting anyone Controls and restrictions are good for people and thus society. We see benefits on limiting food intake, drugs, certain perversion (child, incest etc) and the inverse being no limits etc. associated with obesity, disease and mental health issues. IMO we shouldn't even coin the term "without hurting anyone" because of it's simplistic view of the world and society. AI porn will just feed peoples fetishes to no end and most likely compound the porn crisis further, which is already a public health issue. This is the same argument used for a lot of things including drug addiction. It's a very easy phrase to throw without thinking of the wider consequences. People do not live in a bubble, we're social animals and another persons ills can have a detrimental effect on society.
majikaja 4y ago
I feel like worrying about ethics is often a coping mechanism hard working men do to deal with the fact that they can easily be out-earned by a woman with very little skills.
Pet_Ant 4y ago
There already are porn stars whose careers depend in them looking like celebrities. Long before AI, in the early days of the internet, there were “nudes” of Gillian Anderson/Dana Scully. You own your body, bur your face is not as unique as you think it is. https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/uncanny-taylor-swift-lookalike-goes-viral-on-tiktok/amp/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/uncanny-taylor-swift-lookalike...
more_corn 4y ago
In order to train it you need a dataset…

Reason077 4y ago

Porn actors may feel differently if it’s their jobs/livelihoods at stake.

xiphias2 4y ago
Most porn actors are young girls doing it a few times (as they are required to do more extreme things to stay relevant) and being seen forever. They also don't think about how easy it will be to identify them in the future as face recognition/matching gets even cheaper.
- everyone 4y ago
  I'm wondering is "being seen forever" as big of a deal as it used to be? If you have nudes somewhere on the internet does anyone actually give a shit?
  - xiphias2 4y ago
    Nudes and porn are very different things. Also the answer is yes, there are people who actually give a shit about who they marry / date / hire for work
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      > there are people who actually give a shit about who they marry / date / hire for work So are those who are not offended that their employee did some nude modeling or sex work are... careless or inconsiderate in some way? Should hiring or dating include some kind of background check based on puritanical definitions of "moral character"? Perhaps people who think that way should wear some kind of scarlet letter. That way I can be sure they'll never be involved in my hiring pipeline.
      - xiphias2 4y ago
        I don't know what ,,should'' happen, there have been many firing because of sex work related reasons. Also those background checks won't be the official reason these people won't get hired, it's always easy to create an alternative reason, just how it works with agism, sexism and racism.
        majikaja 4y ago
        I don't think most porn stars care about getting rejected by FAANG If they cared about their reputation, they wouldn't be porn stars
        paulryanrogers 4y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. When I read "actually give a shit" it suggests to me that the writer thinks those who aren't concerned have committed some moral failure.
- more_corn 4y ago
  Your use of the word “girls” implies that the subjects are under the age of legal consent which would classify what you’re talking about as child sex abuse material not porn. If you’re talking about porn you’re talking about people of legal age to consent. Making them women. The difference between those two words is night and day. Legally, ethically and in terms of classification. In this discussion your choice of words is very important.
bloqs 4y ago
There are a small handful of true career porn stars, most do their stint and get out within a couple of years
fxj 4y ago
maybe thats good for them to find a job where they are not judged by their look and their ability to take c*k
- cykros 4y ago
  Definitely, just like it's good for coal miners to be out of that awful line of work -- they seem really happy about it down in West Virginia. While we're at it, we should free up software developers to no longer have to have jobs where their body is on the line, with high rates of scoliosis and carpal tunnel too. Taking away someone's livelihood without readily having an alternative to immediately substitute is rarely something you're going to be thanked for. There are absolutely abusive porn studios, but there's also a good portion of cottage industry "amateur" porn that's popped up in recent years, where the only "boss" is a site taking their overhead cost for hosting and distribution. Not that I take issue with the march of progress here. Just saying that someone will be better off without their job is a bit off.

ilkke 4y ago

I agree with the core sentiment, but not the "without hurting anyone" part. Porn addiction (and its consequences) has been the elephant in the room for a while.

nathias 4y ago
the substance of the addiction isn't hurting anyone, addicts are hurting themselves and need help to stop
devonkim 4y ago
Porn addiction while real is possibly overblown or under-discussed depending upon the social circles. Like anything human made it can be used for therapeutic purposes or abused depending upon both the intent and consumer base. I think we can all agree that higher quality human relationships should certainly take priority over any form of hedonism or escapism but it’s increasingly difficult for a looser society to find the conditions requisite for such essential relationships to develop organically. Moreover, we can potentially view addictions in general as more of a symptom than a cause of failed relationships and our increasingly tenuous social fabric.
charlieyu1 4y ago
Porn has been around for generations.

Proven 4y ago

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acer4666 4y ago

How do you get your training data if no-one has been objectified in the supply pipeline?

ThinkBeat 4y ago
It depends on how you define ethical / exploitation. There is a ginormous set of data available to nearly everyone for free. (one way or another) that would provide enormous training input. If instead you focus on the fact that people were objektives during the making of the porn in the first place then the equatino changes. In one case it would stop future objectification.

CommanderData 4y ago

> Instead it can fill a niche without hurting anyone Controls and restrictions are good for people and thus society. We see benefits on limiting food intake, drugs, certain perversion (child, incest etc) and the inverse being no limits etc. associated with obesity, disease and mental health issues. IMO we shouldn't even coin the term "without hurting anyone" because of it's simplistic view of the world and society. AI porn will just feed peoples fetishes to no end and most likely compound the porn crisis further, which is already a public health issue. This is the same argument used for a lot of things including drug addiction. It's a very easy phrase to throw without thinking of the wider consequences. People do not live in a bubble, we're social animals and another persons ills can have a detrimental effect on society.

majikaja 4y ago

I feel like worrying about ethics is often a coping mechanism hard working men do to deal with the fact that they can easily be out-earned by a woman with very little skills.

Pet_Ant 4y ago

There already are porn stars whose careers depend in them looking like celebrities. Long before AI, in the early days of the internet, there were “nudes” of Gillian Anderson/Dana Scully. You own your body, bur your face is not as unique as you think it is. https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/uncanny-taylor-swift-lookalike-goes-viral-on-tiktok/amp/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/13/uncanny-taylor-swift-lookalike...

more_corn 4y ago

In order to train it you need a dataset…