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UK has weird laws. Airborne operation of amateur radio is prohibited in the UK. Yemen and NK ban amateur radio outright, with very few exceptions for things li

by kawfey 4y ago

UK has weird laws. Airborne operation of amateur radio is prohibited in the UK. Yemen and NK ban amateur radio outright, with very few exceptions for things like DXpeditions or royalty. No other countries specifically call out a prohibition of airborne amateur radio operation; either they explicitly allow it or they don't specify. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23803850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23803850 [PDF] https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/amateur_radio_licence_guidance_for_licensees.pdf https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0026/82637/a...

CraigJPerry 4y ago
I’ve tried twice to challenge the ofcom restriction, they opened a consultation but frustratingly the RSGB position is against this change.
- alibarber 4y ago
  That's really interesting to hear - I'd like to read more about their stance on this.
  - CraigJPerry 4y ago
    One thing they’re pretty good at is documenting everything, i’d start here: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-2/amateur-radio-licence https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/catego...
- terinjokes 4y ago
  As a US ham currently studying to become a UK ham, that's very interesting to me. Did they say why they oppose something regularly allowed elsewhere?
  - CraigJPerry 4y ago
    Formally - no, i think the official stance last i saw was that you can submit a request for a “notice of variation” on your licence but i don’t know of anyone who’s done that and from my knowledge of other NoVs that have been granted i expect it could be hobbled in some way. E.g. in the uk a full licence holder may transmit at up to 400w on most bands but you can submit for a NoV to be able to transmit at 1kw like the US - except the NoV can carry constraints like you must not transmit your call sign. That’s not a typo, you must NOT transmit your callsign when using 1kw. It’ll depend on the reason for the NoV being issued though. Informally i’ve had nothing but condescending dismissal on airborne operation because i mentioned some experiments involving a drone (my other hobby).
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    Because the RSGB is run by tedious atavistic old farts, who want the hobby to be an Old Men's Club forever. Meanwhile Ofcom's unofficial position is that they literally cannot be paid to investigate things that happen on the amateur bands, and don't much care what you do anywhere else as long as you're not making a nuisance of yourself.
nradov 4y ago
Yemen isn't even a country anymore, so people there can do whatever the hell the want if they can avoid getting shot.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Doesn't UK also have some extra regulation about unmanned transmitters and repeaters? There is a "pistar-keeper" functionality in dmr hotspots (pi-star), that disables transmission if the operator('s phone) isn't close by (distance is detected via bluetooth).

by kawfey 4y ago

CraigJPerry 4y ago

I’ve tried twice to challenge the ofcom restriction, they opened a consultation but frustratingly the RSGB position is against this change.

alibarber 4y ago
That's really interesting to hear - I'd like to read more about their stance on this.
- CraigJPerry 4y ago
  One thing they’re pretty good at is documenting everything, i’d start here: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-2/amateur-radio-licence https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/catego...
terinjokes 4y ago
As a US ham currently studying to become a UK ham, that's very interesting to me. Did they say why they oppose something regularly allowed elsewhere?
- CraigJPerry 4y ago
  Formally - no, i think the official stance last i saw was that you can submit a request for a “notice of variation” on your licence but i don’t know of anyone who’s done that and from my knowledge of other NoVs that have been granted i expect it could be hobbled in some way. E.g. in the uk a full licence holder may transmit at up to 400w on most bands but you can submit for a NoV to be able to transmit at 1kw like the US - except the NoV can carry constraints like you must not transmit your call sign. That’s not a typo, you must NOT transmit your callsign when using 1kw. It’ll depend on the reason for the NoV being issued though. Informally i’ve had nothing but condescending dismissal on airborne operation because i mentioned some experiments involving a drone (my other hobby).
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Because the RSGB is run by tedious atavistic old farts, who want the hobby to be an Old Men's Club forever. Meanwhile Ofcom's unofficial position is that they literally cannot be paid to investigate things that happen on the amateur bands, and don't much care what you do anywhere else as long as you're not making a nuisance of yourself.

nradov 4y ago

Yemen isn't even a country anymore, so people there can do whatever the hell the want if they can avoid getting shot.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

Doesn't UK also have some extra regulation about unmanned transmitters and repeaters? There is a "pistar-keeper" functionality in dmr hotspots (pi-star), that disables transmission if the operator('s phone) isn't close by (distance is detected via bluetooth).