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China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billio

by cm2012 4y ago

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
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- tkanarsky 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    Putin really does love that Soviet playbook.
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy If you're going to condemn an entire country based on local police killing a dog, surely the fact that police in your country frequently beat human beings to death is relevant.
- eptcyka 4y ago
  Has it saved lives?
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    Yes, undoubtedly. China got through the most difficult part of the pandemic, when there were no vaccines, without letting the virus spread. Over 90% of the Chinese population was fully vaccinated before the zero-CoVID policy was dropped. The biggest failure was that the vaccination rate was lower among the elderly. That's a problem that affects the Chinese cultural sphere, including Taiwan and Singapore.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  I’ve seen a bunch of guys in Shanghai whomp on a guy trying to still a girl’s purse. The police just watched, it was Justice in their mind anyways. Things like that just happen I guess, it’s weird that I’ve seen this on TV in the states but never in real life. I saw things in China that I would never see anywhere else, like a girl get killed when she was hit by a taxi (she was going against a red light, the taxi driver was going way too fast). The thump/crunch sound is one I’ll never forget. I guess it’s because there are so many people that the odds are good that you’ll see something crazy happen in real life and not just see it happen on TV. I’m really glad I left China before COVID happened. From what I’ve heard from my friends still in Beijing, things have been really tough for the last couple of years. Yes, lives were saved by the suffering, but I’m still glad I personally didn’t have to go through it.
- vore 4y ago
  I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets? In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."
  - sohkamyung 4y ago
    > why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets Maybe due to fear (at that time) that the pets would transmit COVID to human. One example is this hamster cull at a Hong Kong pet store [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551
  - throwawaaay129 4y ago
    How is beating pets to death political posturing..? Someone thought it'd make them look good? Most likely it was some misinformed overzealous local official. Pets from pretty early on in the pandemic have been known to catch corona. I think the question of if you can catch the virus from a pet is inconclusive (last I heard) - but obviously very unlikely If you are trying to get to zero COVID so your city isn't shutdown and thousands of people don't loose their way of life then you're prolly quarantining sick people. No one to take care of their potentially disease spreading pets, so local official decides better safe than sorry It's messed up, but it's totally not unreasonable for someone on the local level to make this kind of call in a high pressure situation with minimal guidelines and the safety of a city on the line
    - vore 4y ago
      Sorry, I meant the kind of reporting in both the US and China on these things is political posturing, not the killing of the pets.
- glogla 4y ago
  Your post history is full of pro-China political posts. Why are you on this site?
  - junofan 4y ago
    Pro-central government, even. 五毛网络评论员
  - throwawaaay129 4y ago
    I don't post anything positive about China on any account associated with my name. In the current zeitgeist it'd be career suicide and with all the frothing at the mouth in the public discourse with the US itching for a cold war - I honestly think in a few years it won't be safe to have that on your internet record
    - twixfel 4y ago
      It's certainly much safer to be pro-China in the West than pro-West or pro-USA in China, if that makes you feel any better. So don't complain too much about how difficult life is for you as a supporter of the CCP.
      - throwawaaay129 4y ago
        I'm not complaining or comparing myself to anyone. I didn't say I support the CCP either. Just explaining why people might use throwaway accounts If I was currently living in China I wouldn't be posting anything remotely political. Obviously they have it harder there
        twixfel 4y ago
        OK if by "positive about China" you mean statements like "I like Chinese food" or "Chinese history is very interesting" then obviously this not an issue. I assumed support for the CCP and the broader Chinese political system was implicit in your concern about expressing something "positive about China". Otherwise I've no idea what the point you're making is.
- pas 4y ago
  Debatable. Their boneheaded way of brute-forcing lockdowns probably caused more harm overall. And they failed to contain it! Not to mention the whole problem of not allowing foreign vaccines.
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    China's zero-CoVID policy involved a lot more finesse than "bone-headed lockdowns." After the initial Wuhan outbreak was brought under control in early 2020, the vast majority of people in China didn't experience another lockdown until well into 2022. Life was actually much more normal in China for most of the pandemic than people in the West tend to think. It was much more normal than in the West for much of the first two years of the pandemic. From spring 2020 until spring 2022, the main measures were 2-3 weeks of quarantine for people arriving in China, contact-tracing (supported by smartphone apps), and large-scale PCR testing (imagine testing everyone in a city of 10 million people in 3 days, and then doing it again). Lockdowns were rare until mid-2022, and were reserved for situations in which the other measures weren't enough. That strategy worked extremely well for a long time - long enough to develop vaccines and administer them to 90% of the population. I don't know when the decision was made to transition out of zero-CoVID, but the transition began in November 2022. It appears that the government initially wanted to do a slow transition, but then decided to completely open the floodgates in early December 2022. The fact that the virus spread so rapidly after that decision is a pretty dramatic demonstration of just how effective the measures were beforehand. After they lifted control measures, everyone was infected within two months.
- dtech 4y ago
  > At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives. Has it though? It seems to have mostly delayed things, things got horrible when they reopened a couple of months ago...
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > Things like this happen A common talking point for evil. Everything happens; the statement means nothing. People die of cancer with and without treatment. Bugs are in software made by great coders in organizations with great process, and by bad coders with bad process. So is everything pointless - freedom, democracy, cancer treatment, coding skill and process, etc. etc.?
- 127 4y ago
  >At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives. What's your evidence for this?
- 123pie123 4y ago
  two wrongs do NOT make a right, each item must be looked at in context - police beating people up because of their skin - not normal or encouraged by the gov - police killing pets? who knows but you cannot link the two with whataboutism
- petesergeant 4y ago
  > I saw a video a few weeks ago of five American police beating a man to death And it was such a big fucking deal that the President got involved, it was the major news story for a few days, and most likely the police will go to jail, after a fair trial. The strength of a country isn't whether or not bad things happen, it's what happens _after_ bad things happen, and if there's accountability.
philliphaydon 4y ago
[WARNING: It can be graphic] https://twitter.com/search?q=china%20covid%20dog&src=typed_query&f=video https://twitter.com/search?q=china%20covid%20dog&src=typed_q... Some of it's pretty sickening, but during covid Twitter has made little to no effort to remove alot of the animal abuse videos from its platform.
- deleted 4y ago
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- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  I thought I'd merely be disgusted, I'm actually crying now. Animal mass murder. And having fun while doing it.
  - vixen99 4y ago
    I dare not look since I'd probably follow suit. What can be done, if anything, about this evidently deep-seated capacity in some of us, to 'have fun' while knowingly inflicting pain and suffering on other living creatures who share our planet?
- psiops 4y ago
  I am not clicking that.
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Those covid measures were they locked doors in buildings, and then people burned alive, screaming for help into the night. And that dystopian nightmare is allowed to harass all that has as ethnicity han.
mr90210 4y ago
> A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit. It’s for things like this that I laugh in private when some people say that China is the future. For sure the future of a shittier world.
tw1984 4y ago
> A billion plus people, largely uneducated You do realize that this is the exact excuse used by the CCP for not allowing general elections? Openly support CCP's policies won't get you too far on HackerNew.
ch_eichenau 4y ago
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- thejohnconway 4y ago
  You’re comparing different sources, which measure different things: the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” but the stats for America absolutely bungled in the second article. It’s terribly structured and written, so it’s hard to tell for certain, but appears to sometimes be talking about some sort of reading proficiency in English (which is possibly why California comes out so low).
  - ch_eichenau 4y ago
    It's true, I would also like to get the source for US from statista, but unfortunately didn't find it there in hurry. It's not a solid argument to prove Chineses are educated or not, even when we have source with US having higher literacy rate. But anyway, just don't see how can someone simply say Chineses are "largely uneducated".
  - yakireev 4y ago
    > the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” One could argue that being able to read and write in Chinese is quite an accomplishment. For alphabet-based writing systems, kids as young as 6 y.o. can read pretty much any word they know, and write many of them. Not for Chinese.

by cm2012 4y ago

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago

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tkanarsky 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  Putin really does love that Soviet playbook.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy If you're going to condemn an entire country based on local police killing a dog, surely the fact that police in your country frequently beat human beings to death is relevant.
eptcyka 4y ago
Has it saved lives?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  Yes, undoubtedly. China got through the most difficult part of the pandemic, when there were no vaccines, without letting the virus spread. Over 90% of the Chinese population was fully vaccinated before the zero-CoVID policy was dropped. The biggest failure was that the vaccination rate was lower among the elderly. That's a problem that affects the Chinese cultural sphere, including Taiwan and Singapore.
seanmcdirmid 4y ago
I’ve seen a bunch of guys in Shanghai whomp on a guy trying to still a girl’s purse. The police just watched, it was Justice in their mind anyways. Things like that just happen I guess, it’s weird that I’ve seen this on TV in the states but never in real life. I saw things in China that I would never see anywhere else, like a girl get killed when she was hit by a taxi (she was going against a red light, the taxi driver was going way too fast). The thump/crunch sound is one I’ll never forget. I guess it’s because there are so many people that the odds are good that you’ll see something crazy happen in real life and not just see it happen on TV. I’m really glad I left China before COVID happened. From what I’ve heard from my friends still in Beijing, things have been really tough for the last couple of years. Yes, lives were saved by the suffering, but I’m still glad I personally didn’t have to go through it.
vore 4y ago
I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets? In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."
- sohkamyung 4y ago
  > why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets Maybe due to fear (at that time) that the pets would transmit COVID to human. One example is this hamster cull at a Hong Kong pet store [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551
- throwawaaay129 4y ago
  How is beating pets to death political posturing..? Someone thought it'd make them look good? Most likely it was some misinformed overzealous local official. Pets from pretty early on in the pandemic have been known to catch corona. I think the question of if you can catch the virus from a pet is inconclusive (last I heard) - but obviously very unlikely If you are trying to get to zero COVID so your city isn't shutdown and thousands of people don't loose their way of life then you're prolly quarantining sick people. No one to take care of their potentially disease spreading pets, so local official decides better safe than sorry It's messed up, but it's totally not unreasonable for someone on the local level to make this kind of call in a high pressure situation with minimal guidelines and the safety of a city on the line
  - vore 4y ago
    Sorry, I meant the kind of reporting in both the US and China on these things is political posturing, not the killing of the pets.
glogla 4y ago
Your post history is full of pro-China political posts. Why are you on this site?
- junofan 4y ago
  Pro-central government, even. 五毛网络评论员
- throwawaaay129 4y ago
  I don't post anything positive about China on any account associated with my name. In the current zeitgeist it'd be career suicide and with all the frothing at the mouth in the public discourse with the US itching for a cold war - I honestly think in a few years it won't be safe to have that on your internet record
  - twixfel 4y ago
    It's certainly much safer to be pro-China in the West than pro-West or pro-USA in China, if that makes you feel any better. So don't complain too much about how difficult life is for you as a supporter of the CCP.
    - throwawaaay129 4y ago
      I'm not complaining or comparing myself to anyone. I didn't say I support the CCP either. Just explaining why people might use throwaway accounts If I was currently living in China I wouldn't be posting anything remotely political. Obviously they have it harder there
      - twixfel 4y ago
        OK if by "positive about China" you mean statements like "I like Chinese food" or "Chinese history is very interesting" then obviously this not an issue. I assumed support for the CCP and the broader Chinese political system was implicit in your concern about expressing something "positive about China". Otherwise I've no idea what the point you're making is.
pas 4y ago
Debatable. Their boneheaded way of brute-forcing lockdowns probably caused more harm overall. And they failed to contain it! Not to mention the whole problem of not allowing foreign vaccines.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  China's zero-CoVID policy involved a lot more finesse than "bone-headed lockdowns." After the initial Wuhan outbreak was brought under control in early 2020, the vast majority of people in China didn't experience another lockdown until well into 2022. Life was actually much more normal in China for most of the pandemic than people in the West tend to think. It was much more normal than in the West for much of the first two years of the pandemic. From spring 2020 until spring 2022, the main measures were 2-3 weeks of quarantine for people arriving in China, contact-tracing (supported by smartphone apps), and large-scale PCR testing (imagine testing everyone in a city of 10 million people in 3 days, and then doing it again). Lockdowns were rare until mid-2022, and were reserved for situations in which the other measures weren't enough. That strategy worked extremely well for a long time - long enough to develop vaccines and administer them to 90% of the population. I don't know when the decision was made to transition out of zero-CoVID, but the transition began in November 2022. It appears that the government initially wanted to do a slow transition, but then decided to completely open the floodgates in early December 2022. The fact that the virus spread so rapidly after that decision is a pretty dramatic demonstration of just how effective the measures were beforehand. After they lifted control measures, everyone was infected within two months.
dtech 4y ago
> At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives. Has it though? It seems to have mostly delayed things, things got horrible when they reopened a couple of months ago...
wolverine876 4y ago
> Things like this happen A common talking point for evil. Everything happens; the statement means nothing. People die of cancer with and without treatment. Bugs are in software made by great coders in organizations with great process, and by bad coders with bad process. So is everything pointless - freedom, democracy, cancer treatment, coding skill and process, etc. etc.?
127 4y ago
>At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives. What's your evidence for this?
123pie123 4y ago
two wrongs do NOT make a right, each item must be looked at in context - police beating people up because of their skin - not normal or encouraged by the gov - police killing pets? who knows but you cannot link the two with whataboutism
petesergeant 4y ago
> I saw a video a few weeks ago of five American police beating a man to death And it was such a big fucking deal that the President got involved, it was the major news story for a few days, and most likely the police will go to jail, after a fair trial. The strength of a country isn't whether or not bad things happen, it's what happens _after_ bad things happen, and if there's accountability.

philliphaydon 4y ago

[WARNING: It can be graphic] https://twitter.com/search?q=china%20covid%20dog&src=typed_query&f=video https://twitter.com/search?q=china%20covid%20dog&src=typed_q... Some of it's pretty sickening, but during covid Twitter has made little to no effort to remove alot of the animal abuse videos from its platform.

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hypertele-Xii 4y ago
I thought I'd merely be disgusted, I'm actually crying now. Animal mass murder. And having fun while doing it.
- vixen99 4y ago
  I dare not look since I'd probably follow suit. What can be done, if anything, about this evidently deep-seated capacity in some of us, to 'have fun' while knowingly inflicting pain and suffering on other living creatures who share our planet?
psiops 4y ago
I am not clicking that.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

Those covid measures were they locked doors in buildings, and then people burned alive, screaming for help into the night. And that dystopian nightmare is allowed to harass all that has as ethnicity han.

mr90210 4y ago

> A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit. It’s for things like this that I laugh in private when some people say that China is the future. For sure the future of a shittier world.

tw1984 4y ago

> A billion plus people, largely uneducated You do realize that this is the exact excuse used by the CCP for not allowing general elections? Openly support CCP's policies won't get you too far on HackerNew.

ch_eichenau 4y ago

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thejohnconway 4y ago
You’re comparing different sources, which measure different things: the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” but the stats for America absolutely bungled in the second article. It’s terribly structured and written, so it’s hard to tell for certain, but appears to sometimes be talking about some sort of reading proficiency in English (which is possibly why California comes out so low).
- ch_eichenau 4y ago
  It's true, I would also like to get the source for US from statista, but unfortunately didn't find it there in hurry. It's not a solid argument to prove Chineses are educated or not, even when we have source with US having higher literacy rate. But anyway, just don't see how can someone simply say Chineses are "largely uneducated".
- yakireev 4y ago
  > the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” One could argue that being able to read and write in Chinese is quite an accomplishment. For alphabet-based writing systems, kids as young as 6 y.o. can read pretty much any word they know, and write many of them. Not for Chinese.