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I expect the above will get flagged but it's correctly pointing out that we've effectively brute forced some loopholes that allow normal protections on speech a

I expect the above will get flagged but it's correctly pointing out that we've effectively brute forced some loopholes that allow normal protections on speech and thought to be bypassed. The fact that you "can't" say certain things ends up shifting the game to claiming your opponent has said one of those certain things. Edit: to wit, the parent post claim in ridiculous action: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34811787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34811787 Edit 2: and just to clarify my point, once these loopholes get found, people jump on them and aggressively exploit them. Look around this thread for the kinds of rhetoric people that oppose free speech are using. What would they have subbed in 15 or 50 years ago?

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> The fact that you "can't" say certain things what fact is that? who enforces the "can't" ?
- freejazz 4y ago
  exactly. the poster you are responding to is pretending that the boundaries of polite conversation have always been the same as the boundaries of legal speech when that's obviously not the case and has never been.
- mansion7 4y ago
  According to the Twitter files, Silicon Valley enforces it at the behest of the federal government.
  - insickness 4y ago
    Not clear why you're getting downvoted, but this is the exact right answer. The Twitter files was proof that the Federal government put pressure on Twitter to censor specific viewpoints.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      What was the pressure?
      - Xeoncross 4y ago
        There was often no (but sometimes) pressure, Twitter was aligned enough with most of the requests it seemed. Regardless, does that remove the offense?
        nickthegreek 4y ago
        The offense being requests to remove revenge porn?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    Somehow, I don't think that the material covered by the so-called "Twitter files", or the material not covered by them (e.g. Trump asking directly for deletion), is what the GP was referring to. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

> The fact that you "can't" say certain things what fact is that? who enforces the "can't" ?

freejazz 4y ago
exactly. the poster you are responding to is pretending that the boundaries of polite conversation have always been the same as the boundaries of legal speech when that's obviously not the case and has never been.
mansion7 4y ago
According to the Twitter files, Silicon Valley enforces it at the behest of the federal government.
- insickness 4y ago
  Not clear why you're getting downvoted, but this is the exact right answer. The Twitter files was proof that the Federal government put pressure on Twitter to censor specific viewpoints.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    What was the pressure?
    - Xeoncross 4y ago
      There was often no (but sometimes) pressure, Twitter was aligned enough with most of the requests it seemed. Regardless, does that remove the offense?
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        The offense being requests to remove revenge porn?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Somehow, I don't think that the material covered by the so-called "Twitter files", or the material not covered by them (e.g. Trump asking directly for deletion), is what the GP was referring to. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.