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> I've not actually heard of any private individual in the UK getting un-banked. Of course you haven't because they are just ordinary people who just happen to

by krona 4y ago

> I've not actually heard of any private individual in the UK getting un-banked. Of course you haven't because they are just ordinary people who just happen to have unsavoury political views. You can do your own research.

d4rti 4y ago
Do your own research is in this case code for it hasn’t happened. The closest you can find is: - the hostile environment denying immigrants banking services (while an obvious injustice, unrelated to their political views) [1] - seizures etc related to crime (including terrorism) Most denials of banking services are due to poor credit history and as mentioned in this thread Basic Bank accounts exist as a mandated product to serve this market. You can see some of the reasons why around a million U.K. adults are unbanked through this research and evidence [2] - suspiciously not appearing on this list is anything with even a hint of denial due to political belief or actions. So please do enlighten us of all these alleged cases of politically motivated un-banking. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/home-office-errors-already-leading-to-people-being-denied-bank-accounts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/home-office-... 2. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtreasy/1642/164205.htm https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtr...
ben_w 4y ago
> You can do your own research. I did. Given I have zero specifics, "doing my own research" meant an internet search, which returned nothing relevant, and also didn't cause me to think of any alternative search terms that would be likely to return more relevant results. I mean, if three unrelated political parties can seek literal independence without this topic getting into search results, I don't see how "unsavoury political views" or "political dissidents" is going to be hugely relevant to the topic of "who has bank accounts". For example, Googling: > "Dessie Ellis" unbanked gave me exactly one result, reporting on a committee he was a member of. Ten years ago. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/20130326-communications-committee-calls-for-enhanced-role-for-post-office-network-in-delivery-of-government-services/ https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/201... I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually unbanked at some point given what he was extradited for, convicted of, and ultimately imprisoned for, but the point is I can't find evidence that he was on the internet with obvious search terms.
- krona 4y ago
  Laura Towler is one person whose bank account was closed down after someone found their bank details and petitioned their bank. Then they shouted about it on Twitter.
  - orwin 4y ago
    Twitter isn't the real world. I didn't find any article on this, even on breibart (my go to website when I search for outrage), and nothing on her gab account.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      It took a few keyword variations for me to find anything, but eventually > "Laura Towler" "bank account" worked on Google. One of the top hits was this thread, but it did also give me: https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/banks_engage_war_freedom https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/banks_engage_war_fre... Which is her political group's website. I say "group" not "party" because it doesn't appear to be registered as a party, and they are still on the electoral register list with all the other tiny weird groups: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/party-registration-applications/view-current-applications https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... I'm still putting more weight on "either this didn't happen at all or not for the reasons they're suggesting" along with all the other things they whinge about in that page — if the Tories could choose Johnson and Truss, there's a lot of room for foolishness in UK politics — but at least it's a story that got reported, so it does at least pass the bar required by my previous comment.

by krona 4y ago

d4rti 4y ago

Do your own research is in this case code for it hasn’t happened. The closest you can find is: - the hostile environment denying immigrants banking services (while an obvious injustice, unrelated to their political views) [1] - seizures etc related to crime (including terrorism) Most denials of banking services are due to poor credit history and as mentioned in this thread Basic Bank accounts exist as a mandated product to serve this market. You can see some of the reasons why around a million U.K. adults are unbanked through this research and evidence [2] - suspiciously not appearing on this list is anything with even a hint of denial due to political belief or actions. So please do enlighten us of all these alleged cases of politically motivated un-banking. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/home-office-errors-already-leading-to-people-being-denied-bank-accounts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/22/home-office-... 2. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtreasy/1642/164205.htm https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmtr...

ben_w 4y ago

> You can do your own research. I did. Given I have zero specifics, "doing my own research" meant an internet search, which returned nothing relevant, and also didn't cause me to think of any alternative search terms that would be likely to return more relevant results. I mean, if three unrelated political parties can seek literal independence without this topic getting into search results, I don't see how "unsavoury political views" or "political dissidents" is going to be hugely relevant to the topic of "who has bank accounts". For example, Googling: > "Dessie Ellis" unbanked gave me exactly one result, reporting on a committee he was a member of. Ten years ago. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/20130326-communications-committee-calls-for-enhanced-role-for-post-office-network-in-delivery-of-government-services/ https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/201... I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually unbanked at some point given what he was extradited for, convicted of, and ultimately imprisoned for, but the point is I can't find evidence that he was on the internet with obvious search terms.

krona 4y ago
Laura Towler is one person whose bank account was closed down after someone found their bank details and petitioned their bank. Then they shouted about it on Twitter.
- orwin 4y ago
  Twitter isn't the real world. I didn't find any article on this, even on breibart (my go to website when I search for outrage), and nothing on her gab account.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    It took a few keyword variations for me to find anything, but eventually > "Laura Towler" "bank account" worked on Google. One of the top hits was this thread, but it did also give me: https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/banks_engage_war_freedom https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/banks_engage_war_fre... Which is her political group's website. I say "group" not "party" because it doesn't appear to be registered as a party, and they are still on the electoral register list with all the other tiny weird groups: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/party-registration-applications/view-current-applications https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-w... I'm still putting more weight on "either this didn't happen at all or not for the reasons they're suggesting" along with all the other things they whinge about in that page — if the Tories could choose Johnson and Truss, there's a lot of room for foolishness in UK politics — but at least it's a story that got reported, so it does at least pass the bar required by my previous comment.