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IDK you tell me? All I can say is your OP, said "I think part of it is a subconscious fear ... I understand what I'm saying is dramatic". Why do you think it i

by Rury 4y ago

IDK you tell me? All I can say is your OP, said "I think part of it is a subconscious fear ... I understand what I'm saying is dramatic". Why do you think it is a fear (you explained your thoughts so no need to re-explain), and why do you think what you say is dramatic? It appears to me you are projecting your thoughts and fears. I do though, find your last post dramatic, as you have capital words "ARE MORE" and "OBVIOUS" in your last paragraph, emphasizing emotion. So you must have strong emotions over this.

dnaddie 4y ago
You asking me or him? I can't speak for the person you responded to but my own answer is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34800063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34800063 To be honest I'm sort of in denial too. My actions contradict my beliefs. I'm not searching for occupations and paths that are separate from AI, I'm still programming as if I could do this forever. Also I capitalize words for emphasis. It doesn't represent emotion. Though I do have emotions and I do have bias, but not on the topics I am describing here.
grugagag 4y ago
Im not the OP, i just asked the question. And imagined the answer would involve something about existential threat to human intelligence or something like that.. I simply asked out of curiosity
- Rury 4y ago
  My mistake, hopefully I addressed your question though.
imtringued 4y ago
The AI is pretty benign. The people surrounding it are the danger. I can already imagine a culture where people who type code manually are treated as code monkeys and your boss wants all your code to be typed out by their pre approved specifically to the company tailored LLM and the employees have to be frustrated with the crappy technology the same way they get frustrated by Java EE or ORMs/compilers that refuse to generate the queries they want. I am extremely worried about people telling me it can do things it can't. I asked it a simple question that you can easily get an answer for on stack overflow. It repeatedly generated garbage answers with compiler errors. I gave up, and gave it a stack overflow snippet to get it on the right track. Nope. Then I just literally pasted in the explanation from the official Java documentation. It got it wrong again but not completely but corrected itself immediately. Then it generated ok code that you would expect from stackoverflow. Finally I wanted to see if it actually understood what it just wrote. I am not convinced. It regurgitated the java docs which is correct but then it proceeded to tell me that the code it tried to show me first is also valid... This thing doesn't learn and when it is wrong it will stay wrong. It is like having a child but it instantly loses its memory after the conversation is over and even during conversations it loves repeating answers. Also, in general it feels like it is trying to overwhelm you with walls of text which is ok but when you keep trying to fix a tiny detail it gets on your nerves to see the same verbose sentence structures over and over again. I am not worried that adding more parameters is going to solve these problems. There is a problem with the architecture itself. I do not mind having an AI tool that is very good at NLP but just because some tasks can be solved with just NLP doesn't mean it will reach general intelligence. It just means that a major advancement in processing unstructured data has been made but people want to spin this into something it isn't. It is just a large language model.
- yourapostasy 4y ago
  > I do not mind having an AI tool that is very good at NLP but just because some tasks can be solved with just NLP doesn't mean it will reach general intelligence. I've entertained the possibility that we might discover that "feelings" and language communication are emergent properties of statistical possibly partly stochastic nets similar to LLM's, and that the next tough scientific and engineering nut to crack is integrating multiple different models together into a larger whole, like logical deduction, logical inference and LLM's. LLM's are undoubtedly an NLP breakthrough, but I have difficulty imagining how its architecture can from using first principles as the training corpus derive troubleshooting steps to diagnose and repair an internal combustion engine, for example.

by Rury 4y ago

dnaddie 4y ago

You asking me or him? I can't speak for the person you responded to but my own answer is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34800063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34800063 To be honest I'm sort of in denial too. My actions contradict my beliefs. I'm not searching for occupations and paths that are separate from AI, I'm still programming as if I could do this forever. Also I capitalize words for emphasis. It doesn't represent emotion. Though I do have emotions and I do have bias, but not on the topics I am describing here.

grugagag 4y ago

Im not the OP, i just asked the question. And imagined the answer would involve something about existential threat to human intelligence or something like that.. I simply asked out of curiosity

Rury 4y ago
My mistake, hopefully I addressed your question though.

imtringued 4y ago

The AI is pretty benign. The people surrounding it are the danger. I can already imagine a culture where people who type code manually are treated as code monkeys and your boss wants all your code to be typed out by their pre approved specifically to the company tailored LLM and the employees have to be frustrated with the crappy technology the same way they get frustrated by Java EE or ORMs/compilers that refuse to generate the queries they want. I am extremely worried about people telling me it can do things it can't. I asked it a simple question that you can easily get an answer for on stack overflow. It repeatedly generated garbage answers with compiler errors. I gave up, and gave it a stack overflow snippet to get it on the right track. Nope. Then I just literally pasted in the explanation from the official Java documentation. It got it wrong again but not completely but corrected itself immediately. Then it generated ok code that you would expect from stackoverflow. Finally I wanted to see if it actually understood what it just wrote. I am not convinced. It regurgitated the java docs which is correct but then it proceeded to tell me that the code it tried to show me first is also valid... This thing doesn't learn and when it is wrong it will stay wrong. It is like having a child but it instantly loses its memory after the conversation is over and even during conversations it loves repeating answers. Also, in general it feels like it is trying to overwhelm you with walls of text which is ok but when you keep trying to fix a tiny detail it gets on your nerves to see the same verbose sentence structures over and over again. I am not worried that adding more parameters is going to solve these problems. There is a problem with the architecture itself. I do not mind having an AI tool that is very good at NLP but just because some tasks can be solved with just NLP doesn't mean it will reach general intelligence. It just means that a major advancement in processing unstructured data has been made but people want to spin this into something it isn't. It is just a large language model.

yourapostasy 4y ago
> I do not mind having an AI tool that is very good at NLP but just because some tasks can be solved with just NLP doesn't mean it will reach general intelligence. I've entertained the possibility that we might discover that "feelings" and language communication are emergent properties of statistical possibly partly stochastic nets similar to LLM's, and that the next tough scientific and engineering nut to crack is integrating multiple different models together into a larger whole, like logical deduction, logical inference and LLM's. LLM's are undoubtedly an NLP breakthrough, but I have difficulty imagining how its architecture can from using first principles as the training corpus derive troubleshooting steps to diagnose and repair an internal combustion engine, for example.