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The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enth

The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enthusiasm, but it's tiring. However, it has also convinced me that Rust isn't faster than C++ in practical applications, thanks to the number of "we moved our C++ codebase to Rust" blog posts that have 0 benchmarks. You can practically guarantee that if their code had gotten faster, they would have said something about it. That has dulled my enthusiasm for the language significantly. Also, it is humorous to me to see blog posts that say, "[Rust feature that causes inconvenience] enables compilers to do [compiler optimization that C++ compilers already do]."

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imtringued 4y ago
>Also, it is humorous to me to see blog posts that say, "[Rust feature that causes inconvenience] enables compilers to do [compiler optimization that C++ compilers already do]." What? You can't safely do strict aliasing in C++ and even if you did, it was broken anyway to the point where the Rust compiler had to disable it because of LLVM bugs. https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/54878#issuecomment-429578187 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/54878#issuecomment-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25624538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25624538
- jcranmer 4y ago
  Strict aliasing maps to TBAA in LLVM; the buggy feature is noalias, which corresponds to C's restrict.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    The restrict keyword historically has meant "I know these pointers are different, please optimize as though they are." It had nothing to do with correctness. It is quite tricky to check for correctness in the general case of this kind of keyword.
xpe 4y ago
> The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enthusiasm, but it's tiring. I get it; we all have our annoyances. Personally, the above kind of comment is tiring. Complaints about what makes the HN front page seem like a waste of energy. How can we contribute to moving the conversation forward? By "forward" I mean learning from each other, sharing ideas, and other constructive goals. P.S. If you don't want to see [keyword] in HN, there are probably browser extensions that can help you.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  The problem is that I am interested in Rust's development and I do want to see the Rust keyword, when the content is substantive. For example, there is another front page post right now about Rust and Haskell, which is an interesting commentary.
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 4y ago
  The complaint is about the input not the output.
  - xpe 4y ago
    >>> pclmulqdq: The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enthusiasm, but it's tiring. >> xpe: ... Personally, the above kind of comment is tiring. Complaints about what makes the HN front page seem like a waste of energy. ... > 0xdeadbeefbabe: The complaint is about the input not the output. Explain, please. What is the input? The output?
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      As far as I can tell, the input is the low-effort "I like Rust but have no insight" blogs. The output is their appearance on the front page of this website.
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timeon 4y ago
The constant complaining about Rust posts may suggest that opposite is true. Why don't you follow other topic if you are not interested in Rust. You are free.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  I am interested in Rust. I am not interested in takes like this one, or a lot of the other "I love rust" content that lacks technical substance.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    Why don't you put your interest and desires together and make something like that? I'm sure the people who are at least trying to do something would welcome the example.
- xslvrxslwt 4y ago
  Hello sir, I'm here to resolve your doubts https://goodmanwen.github.io/Programming-Language-Benchmarks-Visualization/ https://goodmanwen.github.io/Programming-Language-Benchmarks... compared to what rust has to offer, compared to C and CPP, this is truly awesome.
lenkite 4y ago
The funny thing is that posts like these are fine and upvoted heavily. But if someone make a post like: Tiobe states that "C++ is language of the year 2022", then its either flagged or utterly downvoted to death. The Rust fanatics have VERY thin skin if the language they hate gets any upward-adoption news.
Shish2k 4y ago
My code got faster, and removed memory safety issues, but I got no upvotes :P
erik_seaberg 4y ago
I wouldn’t care if Rust were 10x slower. Just within my career, computers have become 1000x faster. We can definitely afford a stack that might actually work.
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imtringued 4y ago

>Also, it is humorous to me to see blog posts that say, "[Rust feature that causes inconvenience] enables compilers to do [compiler optimization that C++ compilers already do]." What? You can't safely do strict aliasing in C++ and even if you did, it was broken anyway to the point where the Rust compiler had to disable it because of LLVM bugs. https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/54878#issuecomment-429578187 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/54878#issuecomment-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25624538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25624538

jcranmer 4y ago
Strict aliasing maps to TBAA in LLVM; the buggy feature is noalias, which corresponds to C's restrict.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  The restrict keyword historically has meant "I know these pointers are different, please optimize as though they are." It had nothing to do with correctness. It is quite tricky to check for correctness in the general case of this kind of keyword.

xpe 4y ago

> The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enthusiasm, but it's tiring. I get it; we all have our annoyances. Personally, the above kind of comment is tiring. Complaints about what makes the HN front page seem like a waste of energy. How can we contribute to moving the conversation forward? By "forward" I mean learning from each other, sharing ideas, and other constructive goals. P.S. If you don't want to see [keyword] in HN, there are probably browser extensions that can help you.

pclmulqdq 4y ago
The problem is that I am interested in Rust's development and I do want to see the Rust keyword, when the content is substantive. For example, there is another front page post right now about Rust and Haskell, which is an interesting commentary.
0xdeadbeefbabe 4y ago
The complaint is about the input not the output.
- xpe 4y ago
  >>> pclmulqdq: The constant Rust spam on the front page makes me think that there may be some sort of pro-rust bot that upvotes them. There probably isn't, just a lot of enthusiasm, but it's tiring. >> xpe: ... Personally, the above kind of comment is tiring. Complaints about what makes the HN front page seem like a waste of energy. ... > 0xdeadbeefbabe: The complaint is about the input not the output. Explain, please. What is the input? The output?
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    As far as I can tell, the input is the low-effort "I like Rust but have no insight" blogs. The output is their appearance on the front page of this website.

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timeon 4y ago

The constant complaining about Rust posts may suggest that opposite is true. Why don't you follow other topic if you are not interested in Rust. You are free.

pclmulqdq 4y ago
I am interested in Rust. I am not interested in takes like this one, or a lot of the other "I love rust" content that lacks technical substance.
- sophacles 4y ago
  Why don't you put your interest and desires together and make something like that? I'm sure the people who are at least trying to do something would welcome the example.
xslvrxslwt 4y ago
Hello sir, I'm here to resolve your doubts https://goodmanwen.github.io/Programming-Language-Benchmarks-Visualization/ https://goodmanwen.github.io/Programming-Language-Benchmarks... compared to what rust has to offer, compared to C and CPP, this is truly awesome.

lenkite 4y ago

The funny thing is that posts like these are fine and upvoted heavily. But if someone make a post like: Tiobe states that "C++ is language of the year 2022", then its either flagged or utterly downvoted to death. The Rust fanatics have VERY thin skin if the language they hate gets any upward-adoption news.

Shish2k 4y ago

My code got faster, and removed memory safety issues, but I got no upvotes :P

erik_seaberg 4y ago

I wouldn’t care if Rust were 10x slower. Just within my career, computers have become 1000x faster. We can definitely afford a stack that might actually work.

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