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Take but never give back, well played Microsoft. So Windows users can run Ubuntu in your little VM and that Ubuntu can utilize DirectX without any issues but n

Take but never give back, well played Microsoft. So Windows users can run Ubuntu in your little VM and that Ubuntu can utilize DirectX without any issues but not real Linux machines. No, I don't think this is laziness but a well planned step. We get it, you don't wanna lose your gaming marketshare. After all, you're the main player even with a bloated and anti-consumer software like that but know that Linux is inevitable. Maybe not today, but the better software will win. No matter what your opinion is, FOSS is coming.

self_awareness 4y ago
Was there even any doubt what are MS intentions regarding WSL? MS is known for Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. > "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE), also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  Funny enough, WSL is what pushed me towards Linux even more. To the point that I stopped dual booting altogether and switched to Linux permanently because of how horrible WSL is and how much time it wastes. I honestly believe that people who stick to WSL and are afraid of using a real Linux distro are a little too afraid of trying something different from what they're used to. I used to be in a similar position, so I won't blame them but hey, at least I got to compare the software side by side and eventually decided which one's better by a thousand miles.
  - CoolCold 4y ago
    I'm stick to Windows and WSL - I'm not looking into Linux On Desktop land (not in FreeBSD on Desktop as well of course), I have enough Linux on servers at work and doing sysadmin job at home is not appealing to me. I like the robust, reliable and solid system Windows provides me. I have close to 0 issues, not having problems with updates, basically every case and every tool I _may_ need works, making me confident about Windows as tool to solve my tasks.
    - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
      > doing sysadmin job at home is not appealing to me Please tell me this is a joke. You have to have 0 knowledge about Linux Desktop to claim that Linux users are doing a sysadmin's job when they're using their systems. Calling Linux users sysadmin would be equivalent to calling Windows users Microsoft's QA team haha (ngl, they actually are). We love Linux because it gets work done, for free, without hiccups that Windows often introduces, and without being a bloated spyware and adware mess that is modern Windows.
      - throw_away1525 4y ago
        If Linux is so great why can't I even do `dnf install candycrush`? It's already right there on Windows for me!
        NayamAmarshe 4y ago
        See!? Microsoft® Windows™ is the best! (Terms and conditions conditions apply)
      - CoolCold 4y ago
        Keep loving it, I don't mind. Very good it gets work done for you. Just keep telling for yourself. Linux introduces more hiccups for me than Windows. Having something for free is not viable in long term, work and efforts must be paid. Seeing projects without funding is not a good sign from my POV, doesn't let product owners and project managers to have strong base and planning.
        NayamAmarshe 4y ago
        > Having something for free is not viable in long term They've been saying this for the last 30 years, FOSS still isn't slowing down. Like I said, whether you like it or not, FOSS is coming for their pockets. No amount of candy crush in the start menu can save them.
        4y ago
smileybarry 4y ago
This is arguably similar to VMware Tools’ DirectX support, where it works best on a Windows host due to being able to just forward DX calls to the host (with some partitioning/address translation). Microsoft’s DX backend for WSL could just be a wrapper around the host’s DX rather than a reimplementation. Making that work on any Linux machine would be impossible because it’s essentially just a shim.

self_awareness 4y ago

Was there even any doubt what are MS intentions regarding WSL? MS is known for Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. > "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE), also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
Funny enough, WSL is what pushed me towards Linux even more. To the point that I stopped dual booting altogether and switched to Linux permanently because of how horrible WSL is and how much time it wastes. I honestly believe that people who stick to WSL and are afraid of using a real Linux distro are a little too afraid of trying something different from what they're used to. I used to be in a similar position, so I won't blame them but hey, at least I got to compare the software side by side and eventually decided which one's better by a thousand miles.
- CoolCold 4y ago
  I'm stick to Windows and WSL - I'm not looking into Linux On Desktop land (not in FreeBSD on Desktop as well of course), I have enough Linux on servers at work and doing sysadmin job at home is not appealing to me. I like the robust, reliable and solid system Windows provides me. I have close to 0 issues, not having problems with updates, basically every case and every tool I _may_ need works, making me confident about Windows as tool to solve my tasks.
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    > doing sysadmin job at home is not appealing to me Please tell me this is a joke. You have to have 0 knowledge about Linux Desktop to claim that Linux users are doing a sysadmin's job when they're using their systems. Calling Linux users sysadmin would be equivalent to calling Windows users Microsoft's QA team haha (ngl, they actually are). We love Linux because it gets work done, for free, without hiccups that Windows often introduces, and without being a bloated spyware and adware mess that is modern Windows.
    - throw_away1525 4y ago
      If Linux is so great why can't I even do `dnf install candycrush`? It's already right there on Windows for me!
      - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
        See!? Microsoft® Windows™ is the best! (Terms and conditions conditions apply)
    - CoolCold 4y ago
      Keep loving it, I don't mind. Very good it gets work done for you. Just keep telling for yourself. Linux introduces more hiccups for me than Windows. Having something for free is not viable in long term, work and efforts must be paid. Seeing projects without funding is not a good sign from my POV, doesn't let product owners and project managers to have strong base and planning.
      - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
        > Having something for free is not viable in long term They've been saying this for the last 30 years, FOSS still isn't slowing down. Like I said, whether you like it or not, FOSS is coming for their pockets. No amount of candy crush in the start menu can save them.
        4y ago

smileybarry 4y ago

This is arguably similar to VMware Tools’ DirectX support, where it works best on a Windows host due to being able to just forward DX calls to the host (with some partitioning/address translation). Microsoft’s DX backend for WSL could just be a wrapper around the host’s DX rather than a reimplementation. Making that work on any Linux machine would be impossible because it’s essentially just a shim.