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Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If y

by epakai 4y ago

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or the government doesn't want me to know about a thing I know about. edit: please downvote my trash, the same as this article. Go find better reporting on this event to shove in front of everybody's eyeballs. (post title has since changed, see article for relevance)

pessimizer 4y ago
The person who wrote this article doesn't owe you anything. And they certainly didn't beg you to read this.
- epakai 4y ago
  If they want to make false claims and not back them up then my two-cents is more than they deserve. This article does nothing to reinforce the headline. It's just a clickbait summary that leads to myself and others flaming the article rather than the kind of discussion that's worthwhile on HN.
- naiwenwt 4y ago
  This feels like a reply in bad faith. The point that the parent comment is making is that the title of the article isn't convincing, it's just making a provocative statement with no backing.
sebkomianos 4y ago
Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically? How are the mainstream media dealing with it?
- epakai 4y ago
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- smoldesu 4y ago
  > How are the mainstream media dealing with it? Apparently CNN reported on this 8 days ago[0] (when it happened). Fox is running coverage live as we speak[1]. If there is any evidence of a cover-up, it has yet to be presented. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-fire-sunday/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-water-utility-state-line-take-precautions-health-concerns-mount https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-wat...
  - sebkomianos 4y ago
    So the live coverage from Fox is 8 days late, right?
    - hgsgm 4y ago
      no, it's 8 contiguous days of coverage.
      - sebkomianos 4y ago
        Thanks for the correction!
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Fox has reports on it from a few days ago too: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ohio-mayor-norfolk-southern-train-derailment-hold-feet-fire https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ohio-mayor-norfolk-sou... It's more likely that nobody really cared about this until it went viral on Twitter and TikTok, when people felt a social obligation to show support. It's not bad to recognize the issue, but our willingness to shoot the messenger has prevented us from being able to learn anything in the first place. How many people would have learned about this sooner if they watched the "mainstream media" they so vehemently claim is covering it up? I don't really care either way, it's just food for thought.
      - sebkomianos 4y ago
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- belltaco 4y ago
  > How are the mainstream media dealing with it? https://abcnews.go.com/US/toxic-chemicals-train-derailed-ohio-originally-reported-data/story?id=97080179 https://abcnews.go.com/US/toxic-chemicals-train-derailed-ohi...
xattt 4y ago
Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat. The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  Pretty sure this is a way fucking bigger deal than a bunch of balloons.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  I say this earnestly: I trust that the military has interest in making sure our national security is protected. I don't harbor suspicions of intentional negligence with these balloons. I totally believe that our civilian federal government and executive agencies have no capacity to deal with massive environmental crises like the one in Ohio, or Flint, or in CA with PG&E or many other places. Our system is too weak, and the companies too powerful, the problems too costly to be dealt with without significant pushback.
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    The companies have progressively made the system weak through lobbying and regulatory capture
- vGPU 4y ago
  Because literally nobody cares about the balloons aside from the laughingstock the US military became after they let the first one float across the entire United States before finally shooting it down.
  - winrid 4y ago
    Not sure if true but I read that we couldn't shoot it down where it was. It was in an odd elevation, too high for some equipment, too low for others. Supposedly we shot it down after it lost elevation on the coast.
kodah 4y ago
The issue is that PSR trains have been resulting in these crashes for a while. If you want to look at the data for yourself: https://railroads.dot.gov/accident-and-incident-reporting/train-accident-reports/train-accidents-type https://railroads.dot.gov/accident-and-incident-reporting/tr... Select "Class 1 Railroad". That's nearly half a billion dollars in damage since 2018 to ecosystems and small towns that are hamstrung on dollar amounts like that. The fact that you're just hearing about this kind of stuff is the problem that people are trying to communicate. The problems that underly these kinds of PSR accidents aren't lost on people either. PSR trains were a way of scaling down an industry of people. That's to say, it's a labor movement problem; more cynically put, mutli-billion dollar companies are passing their error rates off on ecosystems and relatively unwealthy areas. It's not some tin-foil hat secret that American media generally does not cover these kinds of areas or things. Instead of responding in rage, respond in empathy, or you could use the old tactic of just ignoring it until it goes away. It's not like you'll suffer social penalties for any of those options; after all, you just did the ASCII version of dropping trou in response to outrage over a social and ecological crisis and suffered zero penalties.
desuforever 4y ago
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by epakai 4y ago

pessimizer 4y ago

The person who wrote this article doesn't owe you anything. And they certainly didn't beg you to read this.

epakai 4y ago
If they want to make false claims and not back them up then my two-cents is more than they deserve. This article does nothing to reinforce the headline. It's just a clickbait summary that leads to myself and others flaming the article rather than the kind of discussion that's worthwhile on HN.
naiwenwt 4y ago
This feels like a reply in bad faith. The point that the parent comment is making is that the title of the article isn't convincing, it's just making a provocative statement with no backing.

sebkomianos 4y ago

Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically? How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

epakai 4y ago
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smoldesu 4y ago
> How are the mainstream media dealing with it? Apparently CNN reported on this 8 days ago[0] (when it happened). Fox is running coverage live as we speak[1]. If there is any evidence of a cover-up, it has yet to be presented. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-fire-sunday/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-water-utility-state-line-take-precautions-health-concerns-mount https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-wat...
- sebkomianos 4y ago
  So the live coverage from Fox is 8 days late, right?
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    no, it's 8 contiguous days of coverage.
    - sebkomianos 4y ago
      Thanks for the correction!
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Fox has reports on it from a few days ago too: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ohio-mayor-norfolk-southern-train-derailment-hold-feet-fire https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ohio-mayor-norfolk-sou... It's more likely that nobody really cared about this until it went viral on Twitter and TikTok, when people felt a social obligation to show support. It's not bad to recognize the issue, but our willingness to shoot the messenger has prevented us from being able to learn anything in the first place. How many people would have learned about this sooner if they watched the "mainstream media" they so vehemently claim is covering it up? I don't really care either way, it's just food for thought.
    - sebkomianos 4y ago
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belltaco 4y ago
> How are the mainstream media dealing with it? https://abcnews.go.com/US/toxic-chemicals-train-derailed-ohio-originally-reported-data/story?id=97080179 https://abcnews.go.com/US/toxic-chemicals-train-derailed-ohi...

xattt 4y ago

Tinfoil hat spin: the “no one is talking about it” angle is being propagated by foreign psy-ops as a distraction from the balloon stories. The “look, we found balloons too” angle floated like a lead aerostat. The general population pays closer attention to the derailment story because a cover-up is intimated by a “grassroots” perspective, and the balloon story floats away into thin air.

aaomidi 4y ago
Pretty sure this is a way fucking bigger deal than a bunch of balloons.
unethical_ban 4y ago
I say this earnestly: I trust that the military has interest in making sure our national security is protected. I don't harbor suspicions of intentional negligence with these balloons. I totally believe that our civilian federal government and executive agencies have no capacity to deal with massive environmental crises like the one in Ohio, or Flint, or in CA with PG&E or many other places. Our system is too weak, and the companies too powerful, the problems too costly to be dealt with without significant pushback.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  The companies have progressively made the system weak through lobbying and regulatory capture
vGPU 4y ago
Because literally nobody cares about the balloons aside from the laughingstock the US military became after they let the first one float across the entire United States before finally shooting it down.
- winrid 4y ago
  Not sure if true but I read that we couldn't shoot it down where it was. It was in an odd elevation, too high for some equipment, too low for others. Supposedly we shot it down after it lost elevation on the coast.

kodah 4y ago

The issue is that PSR trains have been resulting in these crashes for a while. If you want to look at the data for yourself: https://railroads.dot.gov/accident-and-incident-reporting/train-accident-reports/train-accidents-type https://railroads.dot.gov/accident-and-incident-reporting/tr... Select "Class 1 Railroad". That's nearly half a billion dollars in damage since 2018 to ecosystems and small towns that are hamstrung on dollar amounts like that. The fact that you're just hearing about this kind of stuff is the problem that people are trying to communicate. The problems that underly these kinds of PSR accidents aren't lost on people either. PSR trains were a way of scaling down an industry of people. That's to say, it's a labor movement problem; more cynically put, mutli-billion dollar companies are passing their error rates off on ecosystems and relatively unwealthy areas. It's not some tin-foil hat secret that American media generally does not cover these kinds of areas or things. Instead of responding in rage, respond in empathy, or you could use the old tactic of just ignoring it until it goes away. It's not like you'll suffer social penalties for any of those options; after all, you just did the ASCII version of dropping trou in response to outrage over a social and ecological crisis and suffered zero penalties.

desuforever 4y ago

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