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Apple's vision is for the web to remain page-centric so it can't intrude on their walled garden. But really, diverting this discussion to their technical progr

Apple's vision is for the web to remain page-centric so it can't intrude on their walled garden. But really, diverting this discussion to their technical progress (spotty as it is, they do have some there), misses the larger point: by banning non-webkit browsers from their platform, they're engaging in precisely the sort of anti-competitive behavior that Microsoft demonstrated.

nonethewiser 4y ago
> by banning non-webkit browsers from their platform, they're engaging in precisely the sort of anti-competitive behavior that Microsoft demonstrated. Is there a direct analogy here? Like ie only on the windows phones?
- robgibbons 4y ago
  Microsoft faced an antitrust lawsuit (United States v. Microsoft Corp) for embedding IE with Windows, which was seen as an abuse of their position in the OS/PC market to further their own stake in the web browser space. Apple, in this case, is similarly seen as abusing its position in the US mobile market by not merely bundling Safari with iOS, but going a step further, and preventing any competition to its own browser by banning competing browser engines.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Microsoft faced an antitrust lawsuit (United States v. Microsoft Corp) for embedding IE with Windows For a whole range of processes leveraging and protecting the existing Windows monopoly against the threat posed by browsers, Java, and other applications, not just (or even primarily) for “embedding IE with Windows.” The findings of fact regarding the MS antitrust violations are here availabld [0], bundling IE with Windows is part of bullet E (of A-I) under “Microsoft’s Response to the Browser Threat”. [0] https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f...

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Apple's vision is for the web to remain page-centric so it can't intrude on their walled garden. But really, diverting this discussion to their technical progr

by strix_varius 4y ago

nonethewiser 4y ago
> by banning non-webkit browsers from their platform, they're engaging in precisely the sort of anti-competitive behavior that Microsoft demonstrated. Is there a direct analogy here? Like ie only on the windows phones?
- robgibbons 4y ago
  Microsoft faced an antitrust lawsuit (United States v. Microsoft Corp) for embedding IE with Windows, which was seen as an abuse of their position in the OS/PC market to further their own stake in the web browser space. Apple, in this case, is similarly seen as abusing its position in the US mobile market by not merely bundling Safari with iOS, but going a step further, and preventing any competition to its own browser by banning competing browser engines.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Microsoft faced an antitrust lawsuit (United States v. Microsoft Corp) for embedding IE with Windows For a whole range of processes leveraging and protecting the existing Windows monopoly against the threat posed by browsers, Java, and other applications, not just (or even primarily) for “embedding IE with Windows.” The findings of fact regarding the MS antitrust violations are here availabld [0], bundling IE with Windows is part of bullet E (of A-I) under “Microsoft’s Response to the Browser Threat”. [0] https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f...