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I dunno man, pre-civilisation and education wasn't exactly much fun either. I'd rather be a part of the system that basically gives us everything from food to i

I dunno man, pre-civilisation and education wasn't exactly much fun either. I'd rather be a part of the system that basically gives us everything from food to iPhones and the Internet than fight against it (while avoiding predators in the wild). This is not to say that education, especially for boys and young men couldn't be made considerably better.

kbrannigan 4y ago
The older I get the more I'm realizing "pre-history", "pre-civilisation" are very Western European Concepts. Like when the Conquistadors "civilized" mexico Or when the Portuguese and French "civilized" West Africa.
- asdff 4y ago
  Plus when the bombs go off over the Amazon warehouses, who lives? You, who can follow a Hello Fresh recipe reasonably well, or the paleoindian who can flint knap all the tools they need to process their calories?
- tim333 4y ago
  Early civilisation mostly kicked off around Egypt and China so not all that Western European.
- freejazz 4y ago
  but iPhone!
- tekkk 4y ago
  Here we go again. Just because people living in huts in the wilderness are seemingly happy doesnt mean you can rewrite history. No one is arguing colonialism isnt bad or cannibalism et cetera. Once you really dig deep into history you can see humans have been wiping off other nations and civilizations left and right. Assyrians, babylonians - all gone. One could make an assumption genocide and warfare are almost instinctive to us. What's left are few rocks standing, if even that, all ruined by our own hubris and violent nature.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    You completely missed their point. It was well beyond that they colonized places. It's that they believed they 'civilized' places.
d136o 4y ago
Sometimes I think it’s also naive to think that food and modern conveniences (for you and your descendants) will continue to arrive if you just do your job… today you may have food on the table for your family by just showing up to work. But are you sure that whoever you work for won’t keep upping their share and reduce yours as time passes? Maybe just maybe “the system” (as you called it) is just a seemingly more civilized way of doing what was done before: surviving.
notch898a 4y ago
There's always the question over whether a comfortable unnatural life is better than the sort of hunter-gatherer life our brains and bodies spent most of the human generations adapting for. No matter, without organized mechanized agriculture and the nitrogen fixation process and other technology of the present, most of us would be dead and not able to ponder the question.

kbrannigan 4y ago

The older I get the more I'm realizing "pre-history", "pre-civilisation" are very Western European Concepts. Like when the Conquistadors "civilized" mexico Or when the Portuguese and French "civilized" West Africa.

asdff 4y ago
Plus when the bombs go off over the Amazon warehouses, who lives? You, who can follow a Hello Fresh recipe reasonably well, or the paleoindian who can flint knap all the tools they need to process their calories?
tim333 4y ago
Early civilisation mostly kicked off around Egypt and China so not all that Western European.
freejazz 4y ago
but iPhone!
tekkk 4y ago
Here we go again. Just because people living in huts in the wilderness are seemingly happy doesnt mean you can rewrite history. No one is arguing colonialism isnt bad or cannibalism et cetera. Once you really dig deep into history you can see humans have been wiping off other nations and civilizations left and right. Assyrians, babylonians - all gone. One could make an assumption genocide and warfare are almost instinctive to us. What's left are few rocks standing, if even that, all ruined by our own hubris and violent nature.
- freejazz 4y ago
  You completely missed their point. It was well beyond that they colonized places. It's that they believed they 'civilized' places.

d136o 4y ago

Sometimes I think it’s also naive to think that food and modern conveniences (for you and your descendants) will continue to arrive if you just do your job… today you may have food on the table for your family by just showing up to work. But are you sure that whoever you work for won’t keep upping their share and reduce yours as time passes? Maybe just maybe “the system” (as you called it) is just a seemingly more civilized way of doing what was done before: surviving.

notch898a 4y ago

There's always the question over whether a comfortable unnatural life is better than the sort of hunter-gatherer life our brains and bodies spent most of the human generations adapting for. No matter, without organized mechanized agriculture and the nitrogen fixation process and other technology of the present, most of us would be dead and not able to ponder the question.