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You're not exactly wrong, but you could have worded that a lot more kindly. I'd say that this will remove my last hesitation I've had in recommending Matrix to

You're not exactly wrong, but you could have worded that a lot more kindly. I'd say that this will remove my last hesitation I've had in recommending Matrix to people.

snvzz 4y ago
I tried (being kind). What Matrix 2.0 fixes were true pain points which didn't keep me from using Matrix with my closest friends, but kept me from pushing Matrix to most people. For a complete example, not that long ago (couple months), I had to wait over 10 minutes to send a message to somebody on Element on Android (on the street, trying to meet with them), because I turned connectivity on at that moment for the first time that day, and syncing took that long. Now, this is instant, so is joining new rooms; This meets most people's expectation. Having native videoconference is also very welcome, but the old hack was not a deal-breaker.
- dmix 4y ago
  > because I turned connectivity on at that moment for the first time that day, and syncing took that long. So you had to sync all of the messages on the server first before sending a message?
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    That definitely used to be the case with Matrix. Sync has been improving gradually over the last year to alleviate that issue, though, assuming your server regularly gets updated and you keep your clients up to date. Sync still takes a second in large rooms, but you no longer need to download a thousand messages just to see the three latest ones.
    - hdhrufjdi 4y ago
      When was that the case? I can't remember tbh, and it would have been insane for rooms like Matrix HQ. Maybe before 2020?
      - wkat4242 4y ago
        Yeah syncing Matrix HQ used to crash most home servers, probably one of the things that got it on the radar to be fixed ASAP.
        hdhrufjdi 4y ago
        Joining a room from server perspective vs syncing the client to the rooms he has already joined
      - jeroenhd 4y ago
        At least a year ago, maybe longer. Syncing with the larger rooms in the Matrix homeserver definitely took its toll on self-hosted servers. Took minutes (at least) and couldn't be canceled.

You're not exactly wrong, but you could have worded that a lot more kindly. I'd say that this will remove my last hesitation I've had in recommending Matrix to people.

snvzz 4y ago

I tried (being kind). What Matrix 2.0 fixes were true pain points which didn't keep me from using Matrix with my closest friends, but kept me from pushing Matrix to most people. For a complete example, not that long ago (couple months), I had to wait over 10 minutes to send a message to somebody on Element on Android (on the street, trying to meet with them), because I turned connectivity on at that moment for the first time that day, and syncing took that long. Now, this is instant, so is joining new rooms; This meets most people's expectation. Having native videoconference is also very welcome, but the old hack was not a deal-breaker.

dmix 4y ago
> because I turned connectivity on at that moment for the first time that day, and syncing took that long. So you had to sync all of the messages on the server first before sending a message?
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  That definitely used to be the case with Matrix. Sync has been improving gradually over the last year to alleviate that issue, though, assuming your server regularly gets updated and you keep your clients up to date. Sync still takes a second in large rooms, but you no longer need to download a thousand messages just to see the three latest ones.
  - hdhrufjdi 4y ago
    When was that the case? I can't remember tbh, and it would have been insane for rooms like Matrix HQ. Maybe before 2020?
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      Yeah syncing Matrix HQ used to crash most home servers, probably one of the things that got it on the radar to be fixed ASAP.
      - hdhrufjdi 4y ago
        Joining a room from server perspective vs syncing the client to the rooms he has already joined
    - jeroenhd 4y ago
      At least a year ago, maybe longer. Syncing with the larger rooms in the Matrix homeserver definitely took its toll on self-hosted servers. Took minutes (at least) and couldn't be canceled.