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> How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? List of products Microsoft makes: - [bajillion item list of everything including the kitchen sin

> How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? List of products Microsoft makes: - [bajillion item list of everything including the kitchen sink] List of products Slack makes: - Slack Microsoft gives Teams away for free and to them it's worthless. They have no incentive to make it great, just good enough that you'll look at the price of Slack, look at the price of Office 365, and say "ehh, we can save some money, Slack can't be that good." Making Teams not suck doesn't move their revenue dial one iota. (And sure, Slack is owned by Salesforce and they make a bajillion things, but Slack started as its own company that just made one thing, and made it well. They're at least coasting on that laser product focus)

moonchrome 4y ago
>Making Teams not suck doesn't move their revenue dial one iota. That's not true, I would switch to Office 365 if it didn't suck. Having an entire suite fully integrated and under one license is a great value proposition - but the thing has to work. I've had to use Teams over the years and every time I get the same shitty experience I've had with it 5 years ago when I first tried it.
- matwood 4y ago
  > I would switch to Office 365 if it didn't suck. From what? O365 collaboration is terrible. If you do joint document editing, O365 will drive you nuts after using something GSuite. What many do is have GSuite and then O365 for people who need office products for various reasons.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    That's my point - I would replace GSuite and Slack for O365 if the later wasn't so bad. I have the office 2019 package when I need to use office apps.
  - yanellena 4y ago
    I don't quite know what I'm doing right but half my day is spent in Teams and the other half is in documents with 4-6 other people working in them at the same time and I can't remember the last time we had a real issue. I can understand Teams being a pain in multi-tenancy setups but even that is something which I've noticed is being improved recently.
lovecastro 4y ago
In what ways does Teams "suck?" Slack is wildly more expensive, so it's hard for people to see the value in paying so much for it. How does Teams negatively impact the bottom line for a company?

moonchrome 4y ago

>Making Teams not suck doesn't move their revenue dial one iota. That's not true, I would switch to Office 365 if it didn't suck. Having an entire suite fully integrated and under one license is a great value proposition - but the thing has to work. I've had to use Teams over the years and every time I get the same shitty experience I've had with it 5 years ago when I first tried it.

matwood 4y ago
> I would switch to Office 365 if it didn't suck. From what? O365 collaboration is terrible. If you do joint document editing, O365 will drive you nuts after using something GSuite. What many do is have GSuite and then O365 for people who need office products for various reasons.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  That's my point - I would replace GSuite and Slack for O365 if the later wasn't so bad. I have the office 2019 package when I need to use office apps.
- yanellena 4y ago
  I don't quite know what I'm doing right but half my day is spent in Teams and the other half is in documents with 4-6 other people working in them at the same time and I can't remember the last time we had a real issue. I can understand Teams being a pain in multi-tenancy setups but even that is something which I've noticed is being improved recently.

lovecastro 4y ago

In what ways does Teams "suck?" Slack is wildly more expensive, so it's hard for people to see the value in paying so much for it. How does Teams negatively impact the bottom line for a company?