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"Time to generate a bunch of b$ websites stating falsehoods and make sure these AI bots are seeded with it." ~Bad guys everywhere

tomxor 4y ago
Because I loathe captcha, I make sure that every time I am presented one I sneak in an incorrect answer just to fuck with the model I'm training for free. Garbage in, garbage out.
- A_non_e-moose 4y ago
  Glad to see a kindred soul out there. I thought I was the only one :)
  - breppp 4y ago
    Generalizing over the same idea, I believe that whenever you are asked for information about yourself you should volunteer wrong information. Female instead of male, single instead of married etc. Resistance through differential privacy
    - Eupraxias 4y ago
      I've lived in 90210 since webforms started asking.
      - hooverd 4y ago
        ASL?
        codetrotter 4y ago
        69/f/cali
      - inlined 4y ago
        My email address is no@never.com. I’ve actually seen some forms reject it though
        Eupraxias 4y ago
        High-five, having forever used some permutation of something like naaah@nope.net, etc.
- froggit 4y ago
  I do this unintentionally on a regular basis.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Back when recaptcha was catching on there was a 4chan campaign to associate words with "penis". They gathered together, used to successfully brigading polls of a few thousand, and went at it. Someone asked the recaptcha guys and they said the traffic was so little among the total that it got diluted away. No lasting penis words arose and they lost interest.
rapind 4y ago
They were already doing this to seed Google. So business as usual for Mercer and co. I suspect the only way to fix this problem is to exacerbate it until search / AI is useless. We (humanity) have been making great progress on this recently.
- mattigames 4y ago
  That's not how it is gonna play out, right now it makes many wrong statements because AI companies are trying to get as much funding possible to wow investors but accuracy will continue being compared more and more, and to win that race it will get help from humans to use better starting points for every subject, for example for programming questions is gonna use the number of upvotes for a given answer on stackoverflow, for a question about astrophysics is gonna preffer statmenets made by Neil deGrasse Tyson than by some random person online, and so on; and to scale this approach it will slowly learn to make associates from such curated information, e.g. the people that Neil follows and RTs are more likely to make truthful statements about astrophysics than random people.
  - rapind 4y ago
    That makes complete sense, and yet the cynic (realist?) in me is expecting a political nightmare. The stakes are actually really high. AI will for all intents and purposes be the arbiter of truth. For example there are people who will challenge the truth of everything Neil deGrasse Tyson says and will fight tooth and nail to challenge and influence this truth. We (western society) are already arguing about some very obviously objective truths.

tomxor 4y ago

Because I loathe captcha, I make sure that every time I am presented one I sneak in an incorrect answer just to fuck with the model I'm training for free. Garbage in, garbage out.

A_non_e-moose 4y ago
Glad to see a kindred soul out there. I thought I was the only one :)
- breppp 4y ago
  Generalizing over the same idea, I believe that whenever you are asked for information about yourself you should volunteer wrong information. Female instead of male, single instead of married etc. Resistance through differential privacy
  - Eupraxias 4y ago
    I've lived in 90210 since webforms started asking.
    - hooverd 4y ago
      ASL?
      - codetrotter 4y ago
        69/f/cali
    - inlined 4y ago
      My email address is no@never.com. I’ve actually seen some forms reject it though
      - Eupraxias 4y ago
        High-five, having forever used some permutation of something like naaah@nope.net, etc.
froggit 4y ago
I do this unintentionally on a regular basis.
renewiltord 4y ago
Back when recaptcha was catching on there was a 4chan campaign to associate words with "penis". They gathered together, used to successfully brigading polls of a few thousand, and went at it. Someone asked the recaptcha guys and they said the traffic was so little among the total that it got diluted away. No lasting penis words arose and they lost interest.

rapind 4y ago

They were already doing this to seed Google. So business as usual for Mercer and co. I suspect the only way to fix this problem is to exacerbate it until search / AI is useless. We (humanity) have been making great progress on this recently.

mattigames 4y ago
That's not how it is gonna play out, right now it makes many wrong statements because AI companies are trying to get as much funding possible to wow investors but accuracy will continue being compared more and more, and to win that race it will get help from humans to use better starting points for every subject, for example for programming questions is gonna use the number of upvotes for a given answer on stackoverflow, for a question about astrophysics is gonna preffer statmenets made by Neil deGrasse Tyson than by some random person online, and so on; and to scale this approach it will slowly learn to make associates from such curated information, e.g. the people that Neil follows and RTs are more likely to make truthful statements about astrophysics than random people.
- rapind 4y ago
  That makes complete sense, and yet the cynic (realist?) in me is expecting a political nightmare. The stakes are actually really high. AI will for all intents and purposes be the arbiter of truth. For example there are people who will challenge the truth of everything Neil deGrasse Tyson says and will fight tooth and nail to challenge and influence this truth. We (western society) are already arguing about some very obviously objective truths.