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Let’s keep iterating on the takedown evasion strategies until they’re impenetrable. It’s the only hope the People have of actually being in control of anything

Let’s keep iterating on the takedown evasion strategies until they’re impenetrable. It’s the only hope the People have of actually being in control of anything important.

unsupp0rted 4y ago
> It’s the only hope the People have of actually being in control of anything important. Well I wouldn't go that far. There are more $5 wrenches than there are people. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
- user3939382 4y ago
  Yep, aka rubber-hose cryptanalysis. The real test here was Assange who embarrassed the U.S. military by publishing drone footage of them killing civilians not to mention everything else. They got him on an individual level (IMHO by blatantly discarding any remaining vestigial pretense of abiding by the law) but-- the site is up.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    The site is up but it's no longer what it once was. It's disappeared from news reports. Nor has another one taken its place. After the prosecution of Assange and Manning and with Snowden in exile, they've mandated to basically stop the whole whistleblower phenomenon in its tracks. Which was probably a bigger goal than one easily-replaced website. It feels a bit like the Arab spring, a lot of hope in the beginning and then it all fizzled out.
    - JetSpiegel 4y ago
      > Nor has another one taken its place. Yes it has, the spook-friendly Bellingcat. It filled a Wikileaks-shaped hole.
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- DennisP 4y ago
  That only works if you can track down who the people are.
  - unsupp0rted 4y ago
    It works if you can track down and wrench a tiny % of them, causing the rest to wonder if they're next. See: Belarus, 2020 or Iran, 2022 for recent examples
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  You can make systems that even the creator cannot take down.
- kobalsky 4y ago
  that comic did a huge disservice to computer security and still being thrown around after years. there's a huge difference in knowing that your data has been compromised (you hand out the keys to avoid torture) and not knowing, that alone justifies every hoop you have to jump around to have your data encrypted. besides, it doesn't apply here since onion services were created specifically to host content anonimously, they don't know who to torture.
SergeAx 4y ago
TOR version of Z-Library was up and running all that time, including auth. So what we should evaluate is easir-to-access takedown evasion strategies.
- account42 4y ago
  TOR is already pretty easy to access via TOR browser so anything else that requires additional client software is probably not going to have better adoption.
- RupertEisenhart 4y ago
  if you use the brave browser, TOR is always a keyboard shortcut away

Let’s keep iterating on the takedown evasion strategies until they’re impenetrable. It’s the only hope the People have of actually being in control of anything important.

unsupp0rted 4y ago

> It’s the only hope the People have of actually being in control of anything important. Well I wouldn't go that far. There are more $5 wrenches than there are people. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

user3939382 4y ago
Yep, aka rubber-hose cryptanalysis. The real test here was Assange who embarrassed the U.S. military by publishing drone footage of them killing civilians not to mention everything else. They got him on an individual level (IMHO by blatantly discarding any remaining vestigial pretense of abiding by the law) but-- the site is up.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  The site is up but it's no longer what it once was. It's disappeared from news reports. Nor has another one taken its place. After the prosecution of Assange and Manning and with Snowden in exile, they've mandated to basically stop the whole whistleblower phenomenon in its tracks. Which was probably a bigger goal than one easily-replaced website. It feels a bit like the Arab spring, a lot of hope in the beginning and then it all fizzled out.
  - JetSpiegel 4y ago
    > Nor has another one taken its place. Yes it has, the spook-friendly Bellingcat. It filled a Wikileaks-shaped hole.
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DennisP 4y ago
That only works if you can track down who the people are.
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  It works if you can track down and wrench a tiny % of them, causing the rest to wonder if they're next. See: Belarus, 2020 or Iran, 2022 for recent examples
xboxnolifes 4y ago
You can make systems that even the creator cannot take down.
kobalsky 4y ago
that comic did a huge disservice to computer security and still being thrown around after years. there's a huge difference in knowing that your data has been compromised (you hand out the keys to avoid torture) and not knowing, that alone justifies every hoop you have to jump around to have your data encrypted. besides, it doesn't apply here since onion services were created specifically to host content anonimously, they don't know who to torture.

SergeAx 4y ago

TOR version of Z-Library was up and running all that time, including auth. So what we should evaluate is easir-to-access takedown evasion strategies.

account42 4y ago
TOR is already pretty easy to access via TOR browser so anything else that requires additional client software is probably not going to have better adoption.
RupertEisenhart 4y ago
if you use the brave browser, TOR is always a keyboard shortcut away