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We already have "multiple Internets". See China, there is barely anything common ground between the services "we" use and China use.

foverzar 4y ago
To be fair, it's not like people leave the western segment of the internet much, even when other national "internets" are not isolated from the rest of the network. Who has ever tried visiting any ru-net platforms, for example?
somat 4y ago
Applications of the internet are not the internet. However, more specifically, I don't think you can have more than one internet[1]. it is like the universe, by definition that is the whole thing[2]. The instant a network connects to the internet, it becomes part of the internet. 1. there are really two definitions of the internet. A. the set of networks that use the internet protocol. B. the sum of all interconnected networks. 2. But what about the multiverse? you loudly exclaim. Like I said by definition the universe is the whole thing. even once you expand your domain past it's original boundary the whole thing is still the universe. your original domain would now be considered a subverse.
- xyzelement 4y ago
  This feels like a lot of effort to miss the point being made.
gjsman-1000 4y ago
There's increasingly little ground between what the US uses and the EU uses, and will be even less ground over time as well. Is transferring EU Citizen Personally Identifiable Information to the US, in any capacity, even legal? Privacy Shield has been invalidated, the US passed the CLOUD Act, and GDPR is in force. Many experts say... it isn't, at all, it would just be chaotic if fully enforced. In 2 countries in Europe, Chromebooks have been ruled incompatible and schools have been prohibited from rolling them out under this rationale, with more countries likely to come with similar rulings. Just one example of the internet and tech splintering. EU also wants to do nonsense that would not fly in the US like Chat Control. What happens to US-based non-compliant services? Looks like some way of banning them needs to come next...
- mistrial9 4y ago
  no way is the Chromebook an explanatory tale for all of the Internet. A Chromebook always has been an extension of one (powerful) US company. As a US citizen and strong advocate of civilian relations across geography, I have to object to throwing out all possibilities in a bitter moment of finger pointing. "Increasingly" is weasel words, just say "know" :-)
eunos 4y ago
EU biggest mistake is not making "another internet" to nurture their homegrown big techs.
- nradov 4y ago
  How exactly could the EU have blocked Wikipedia, Apple, YouTube, Facebook, etc throughout the entire bloc? That seems politically unrealistic and contrary to the founding principles. The EU tried to grow some local big techs with government subsidies but the results were predictably garbage. The Airbus business model doesn't transfer well to consumer technology. If the EU really wants homegrown big techs then they need to reduce employee protections, eliminate red tape, encourage venture capital markets, and make business bankruptcies easier.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Minitel?

foverzar 4y ago

To be fair, it's not like people leave the western segment of the internet much, even when other national "internets" are not isolated from the rest of the network. Who has ever tried visiting any ru-net platforms, for example?

somat 4y ago

Applications of the internet are not the internet. However, more specifically, I don't think you can have more than one internet[1]. it is like the universe, by definition that is the whole thing[2]. The instant a network connects to the internet, it becomes part of the internet. 1. there are really two definitions of the internet. A. the set of networks that use the internet protocol. B. the sum of all interconnected networks. 2. But what about the multiverse? you loudly exclaim. Like I said by definition the universe is the whole thing. even once you expand your domain past it's original boundary the whole thing is still the universe. your original domain would now be considered a subverse.

xyzelement 4y ago
This feels like a lot of effort to miss the point being made.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

There's increasingly little ground between what the US uses and the EU uses, and will be even less ground over time as well. Is transferring EU Citizen Personally Identifiable Information to the US, in any capacity, even legal? Privacy Shield has been invalidated, the US passed the CLOUD Act, and GDPR is in force. Many experts say... it isn't, at all, it would just be chaotic if fully enforced. In 2 countries in Europe, Chromebooks have been ruled incompatible and schools have been prohibited from rolling them out under this rationale, with more countries likely to come with similar rulings. Just one example of the internet and tech splintering. EU also wants to do nonsense that would not fly in the US like Chat Control. What happens to US-based non-compliant services? Looks like some way of banning them needs to come next...

mistrial9 4y ago
no way is the Chromebook an explanatory tale for all of the Internet. A Chromebook always has been an extension of one (powerful) US company. As a US citizen and strong advocate of civilian relations across geography, I have to object to throwing out all possibilities in a bitter moment of finger pointing. "Increasingly" is weasel words, just say "know" :-)

eunos 4y ago

EU biggest mistake is not making "another internet" to nurture their homegrown big techs.

nradov 4y ago
How exactly could the EU have blocked Wikipedia, Apple, YouTube, Facebook, etc throughout the entire bloc? That seems politically unrealistic and contrary to the founding principles. The EU tried to grow some local big techs with government subsidies but the results were predictably garbage. The Airbus business model doesn't transfer well to consumer technology. If the EU really wants homegrown big techs then they need to reduce employee protections, eliminate red tape, encourage venture capital markets, and make business bankruptcies easier.
Apocryphon 4y ago
Minitel?