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Unfortunate that they don't offer the software itself; I could use this at work, but I don't think we'd be allowed to use it on an external server.

by jff 15y ago

kofman 15y ago
If there's demand, we'll definitely consider offering this.
- arctangent 15y ago
  I promise you that there's absolutely loads of demand from companies for things like this, so long as they can be deployed inside their own network. On the plus side, you can charge them lots of money. On the negative side, it's not as easy (or cheap!) to market to these people and take care of their needs.
- king_magic 15y ago
  Couldn't you offer something where you host the UI, but you allow a client to provide their own data source? That way the data stays on the client-side, and they never have to worry about upgrades, since you host the UI?
- X-Istence 15y ago
  Confluence is the wiki we use where I work and I absolutely hate it (ending tags is like you are opening a tag, so {bold}this would be bold{bold} (example, I don't remember any tags off the top of my head). If something better came along that helped us rather than slowed us down it would be fantastic.
  - jdp23 15y ago
    I checked out Confluence earlier this year and wasn't too impressed at all. So agreed, it would be great for something better to come along!
  - drivebyacct2 15y ago
    Oh god. I helped support an overly customized Confluence wiki that was to be THE wiki for the entire company one summer. I quickly grew to hate the software quite strongly. Took me a while to be objective about JIRA's other products when I used them later.
    - X-Istence 15y ago
      JIRA is the bug tracking software. Atlassian is the company. JIRA is absolutely terrible as well. I can't express in words how much I hate and dislike JIRA, it's horribly slow and bloated user interface and how complicated it makes certain tasks... using it as an Agile tool makes it even worse especially with Greenhopper the add-on.
      - modoc 15y ago
        Lots of people here seem to dislike Confluence and Jira. What do you folks prefer? Having used Bugzilla, Trac, Mantis, MediaWiki, and several other tools I 100% prefer Jira and Confluence...
        berntb 15y ago
        I agree... Multi resistant TB is to be preferred, compared to the black plague. :-( (Mantis might have less capabilities than Jira, but I almost enjoyed working with it. That might have depended on the project. [Edit: On consideration, Mantis was simpler and didn't make me scream from pure hatred.])
        dools 15y ago
        After a long journey we settled on Basecamp. It is kind of shitty until you nail down your own workflow and the API allows you a lot of scope to do that through automation.
        timc3 15y ago
        Redmine here. Currently loving it. Tried lots of others but the multiple projects and the fact that I could use plugins helps. BaseCamp was by far the worst for me.
- brunoc 15y ago
  Github does this perfectly. You get a VM, fire it up and you're good to go.
arctangent 15y ago
I'm also a frequent complainer about exactly this sort of thing. Maybe there is some space in the market for a B2B company which could package up software like this for deployment within the firewalls of the ultimate customer...
- hessenwolf 15y ago
  Check out Confluence, from Atlassian, for the competition.
ilaksh 15y ago
The original Etherpad is open source. https://github.com/ether/pad https://github.com/ether/pad "Etherpad Lite" is built on node.js which to me makes it more desirable from a developer standpoint for a number of reasons, mostly for the same reasons one would generally favor node.js over Rhino, so I would definitely look into that one first. https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite Hackpad might have a few advantages but the basic concept of tracking individual changes with colors is built-in to Etherpad and Etherpad Lite.

Unfortunate that they don't offer the software itself; I could use this at work, but I don't think we'd be allowed to use it on an external server.

by jff 15y ago

Unfortunate that they don't offer the software itself; I could use this at work, but I don't think we'd be allowed to use it on an external server.

kofman 15y ago

If there's demand, we'll definitely consider offering this.

arctangent 15y ago
I promise you that there's absolutely loads of demand from companies for things like this, so long as they can be deployed inside their own network. On the plus side, you can charge them lots of money. On the negative side, it's not as easy (or cheap!) to market to these people and take care of their needs.
king_magic 15y ago
Couldn't you offer something where you host the UI, but you allow a client to provide their own data source? That way the data stays on the client-side, and they never have to worry about upgrades, since you host the UI?
X-Istence 15y ago
Confluence is the wiki we use where I work and I absolutely hate it (ending tags is like you are opening a tag, so {bold}this would be bold{bold} (example, I don't remember any tags off the top of my head). If something better came along that helped us rather than slowed us down it would be fantastic.
- jdp23 15y ago
  I checked out Confluence earlier this year and wasn't too impressed at all. So agreed, it would be great for something better to come along!
- drivebyacct2 15y ago
  Oh god. I helped support an overly customized Confluence wiki that was to be THE wiki for the entire company one summer. I quickly grew to hate the software quite strongly. Took me a while to be objective about JIRA's other products when I used them later.
  - X-Istence 15y ago
    JIRA is the bug tracking software. Atlassian is the company. JIRA is absolutely terrible as well. I can't express in words how much I hate and dislike JIRA, it's horribly slow and bloated user interface and how complicated it makes certain tasks... using it as an Agile tool makes it even worse especially with Greenhopper the add-on.
    - modoc 15y ago
      Lots of people here seem to dislike Confluence and Jira. What do you folks prefer? Having used Bugzilla, Trac, Mantis, MediaWiki, and several other tools I 100% prefer Jira and Confluence...
      - berntb 15y ago
        I agree... Multi resistant TB is to be preferred, compared to the black plague. :-( (Mantis might have less capabilities than Jira, but I almost enjoyed working with it. That might have depended on the project. [Edit: On consideration, Mantis was simpler and didn't make me scream from pure hatred.])
      - dools 15y ago
        After a long journey we settled on Basecamp. It is kind of shitty until you nail down your own workflow and the API allows you a lot of scope to do that through automation.
      - timc3 15y ago
        Redmine here. Currently loving it. Tried lots of others but the multiple projects and the fact that I could use plugins helps. BaseCamp was by far the worst for me.
brunoc 15y ago
Github does this perfectly. You get a VM, fire it up and you're good to go.

arctangent 15y ago

I'm also a frequent complainer about exactly this sort of thing. Maybe there is some space in the market for a B2B company which could package up software like this for deployment within the firewalls of the ultimate customer...

hessenwolf 15y ago
Check out Confluence, from Atlassian, for the competition.

ilaksh 15y ago

The original Etherpad is open source. https://github.com/ether/pad https://github.com/ether/pad "Etherpad Lite" is built on node.js which to me makes it more desirable from a developer standpoint for a number of reasons, mostly for the same reasons one would generally favor node.js over Rhino, so I would definitely look into that one first. https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite Hackpad might have a few advantages but the basic concept of tracking individual changes with colors is built-in to Etherpad and Etherpad Lite.