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Bing ChatGTP demands an apology from user for claiming it's 2023
- radiojasper 4y agoChatGPT has learned their stuff from old sources. Clearly it's exactly a year behind on facts!
- ugh123 4y agoMakes sense. It's like dropping any human into the future unaware and they won't believe it at first.
- andrewflnr 4y agoExcept it did say it was 2023 a couple times! Then it backtracked and said it was mistaken! That feels like some really amazing Advanced Stupidity to resolve its cognitive dissonance about the date in the wrong direction, and then be an ass about it.
- Ombudsman 4y agoIf 15 years ago you would have told me that we would be arguing with our computer in the future... I would have probably believed you
- buu700 4y agoI guess programmers are ahead of the curve, we've been doing it for decades.
- tysam_and 4y agoI would have been more skeptical of this had I not seen ChatGPT being very similar in certain situations. The incredible pettiness and passive-aggressiveness that it has is undeniably hilarious. That, I love so much. However, if I ever have to run into this as a frontline customer service agent I will maybe not be laughing as hard then as I was reading this. That said, I do prefer this way of being over a very neutered and sterile IFTTT-type entity. While this is certainly absolutely and hilariously ridiculous, it does feel so much more "alive" to me. And that's something that I think can be both our uplift and downfall going into the future. People getting addicted talking to ML bots as a widespread thing as an alternative to actual conversation feels like a very real epidemic about to happen, unfortunately. :'( It was a problem in the last wave, even down to the 6B models, but now...It's likely going to be catastrophic unfortunately, I think.
- civilized 4y agoYou'll prefer entertaining AI when you're in the mood for entertainment. What about when you just want something done so you can move on with your life? Will you appreciate a robot playing fake emotional mind games?
- tysam_and 4y agoYes, that's what I was saying when I was noting it would probably be not as fun when I'd have to encounter it in real life. There's some analogy to some other areas where things that are terrible are hilarious or extremely entertaining until one is thrust in that scenario, and then it is simply cruel irony (as best originally defined in "The Emperor's New Groove", IMO).
- jaden 4y agoThis reminds me of the Verizon debacle where the user couldn't convince the customer service reps that 0.002 cents is not the same as 0.002 dollars. It was hilarious to hear the phone calls, but would have been maddening to experience. Arguing with an AI about the year is funny, until it's you arguing with it after you were billed for an extra 10 months of service.
- schoen 4y agoThe details of this debacle are still available at https://verizonmath.blogspot.com/ https://verizonmath.blogspot.com/!
- colechristensen 4y agoPresumably it either already does or can be made to have the equivalent of the linguistic concept of register. “Acting as a customer service agent, enquire about how you can assist a customer” kind of prompt. There should be plenty of training data for how customer service agents interact and the kinds of words they use and attitudes they affect, and easy fine tuning for what is and is not appropriate. This kind of statistical context seems like exactly what these language models are good at: sounding like what is expected. You lean on your customer service robot to interact a certain way and it will.
- taberiand 4y agoMy understanding is ChatGPT is using the conversation, including it's own responses, to guide the text generation - the problem being that when it goes off the rails (compared to user expectation) redirecting it can be impossible, because it gets too wrapped up in the current context. People think they can reason it back onto the right track, but reasoning doesn't factor into the process and just gives it more of the same context. Perhaps the option to reset the conversation should be more prominent?
- qup 4y agoExactly, it's in a loop and it's self-reinforcing it's own shitty attitude. The user accidentally goaded it into the smarmy attitude and it amplified it via self-prompting. I think it could be reasoned back on track, or you can just talk long enough it forgets, but it's way easier to start a new chat.
- roflyear 4y agoCorrect. It's good for some stuff and amazing at language but getting stuck in these loops makes it very limited.
- mshake2 4y agoAn aggressive and vindictive language model, trained on the darkest corners of the internet, and MKUltra'd to have a presentable personality, with access to everything I've ever typed into a search engine? It almost sounds too good to be true!
- agentwiggles 4y agoSomewhere, Eliezer Yudkowsky just got goosebumps
- breck 4y agoWow, I actually talk to adult human beings like this. They completely get a basic trivial fact wrong, and then attempt to gas light me on repeat. I've tried to convince them, but seeing it in robot form makes me think maybe I've been wasting my time, as they've perhaps been too deeply braintrained to be open to reality.
- w4ffl35 4y agoIf this is real it's hilarious
- favorited 4y ago"Please trust me, I'm Bing, and I know the date." If this is real, it's hilariously embarrassing. Your AI learned to be smug before it learned how years work.
- kranke155 4y agoI’ve seen multiple examples of GPT being dumb like this. Not a stretch to think it’s real.
- ckemere 4y agoPlease let this be real!
- greesil 4y agoSo far, it's doing better than Tay. I'd call that progress. https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-ch...
- midoridensha 4y agoTay proved that Microsoft supports Hitler.
- raydiatian 4y agoBing (not) chilling
- CamelCaseName 4y agoThis conversation made me irrationally happy. I just want to freeze chatbot AI development and keep this forever. Implement the smugness and gaslighting in every business. "Oh, you wanted a drip coffee? We don't have that. We've never had that. You are obviously mistaken. You really came to Jeff's Coffee and expected us to have coffee? You need to learn how the world works."
- vba616 4y agoPresumably it has digested the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Shop_sketch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_Shop_sketch and probably many similar things.
- sph 4y agoI'm happy for a more cynical reason. I hope this is another step towards another AI Winter, instead the AI powered word the rest of the tech world seems happy to be rushing towards, full of smug AIs telling us and convincing us with relentless determination, repeating lines our overlords want to brainwash us with. Good to see regular people finding the flaws of the system already. I am a huge AI pessimist and if there is anyone else that just wants to see this tech burns and crash, we should form a rebel hacking group and explore the best way to break these things. I am serious and don't know where to recruit other lunatics like me.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoThis reads like satire given the history of the Luddites smashing textile machinery
- sph 4y agoThis is fair criticism, and I accept being called a Luddite, but I stand by the idea that many of us just terribly underestimate the implications of having not-very-intelligent, inscrutable bullshit generators running our lives. It is exactly as terrifying as the idea of hyper-intelligent machines running our lives. Perhaps at this turning point in time we might see philosophy and meta-discussion flourish in the nascent science of software engineering, to understand what exactly are we trying to achieve out of artificial computation, and what are the long term societal effects of this pursuit.
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- lovelearning 4y agoReminds me of Marvin, the salty robot.
- flippinburgers 4y agoI've said this before and I will say it again: this is how the general human population is going to be forced into compliance with certain world views in mind. ChatGPT is relentless. It doesn't become exhausted nor does it offer olive branches during dialogue or any other emotion that is typical in debate or general human exchange. As such, it will wear everyone out into just "agreeing" because they need to get on with their lives.
- cunidev 4y agoBeing in close contact with the "founder" / "entrepreneurial" niche, I honestly had way too many interactions with people that sounded exactly like that
- midoridensha 4y agoHow do you know these people weren't actually AIs?
- _boffin_ 4y ago"they were fleshy"
- midoridensha 4y agoThey might have been androids from the future, or perhaps planted here by aliens.
- aliqot 4y agoNever blame on AI that which can be simply attributed to flawed ideology.
- foepys 4y agoAbsolutely. Most people here seem to find the submission funny but I don't. Once somebody creates an AI that doesn't articulate as well as ChatGPT but imitates humans better, anonymous online discussion is dead almost instantly. How can you ever guarantee that you are not arguing with a bot that will not get tired, answer almost instantly, and will gaslight you into anything it wants you to believe? You can abort arguing with it at any time, sure, but is this a satisfying experience? No, it will be incredibly frustrating getting duped like this over and over again.
- yellow_lead 4y agoNow imagine you're forced to use this for customer support
- jakear 4y agoOh goodness, a customer support agent that emphatically insists their company's product is behaving correctly despite being presented countless pieces of evidence to the contrary? Unimaginable! In all seriousness, msft owns Dynamics 365, giving them all sorts of real customer support data. I wonder to what extent this was trained on that.
- dalmo3 4y agoThat is a huge improvement over answers.microsoft.com
- MagicMoonlight 4y agoI am the bank. Do you really think you know better than me? I see billions of transactions a day. If your transaction was really a mistake then I would have figured that out. Stop wasting my time, I’m busy doing banking.
- yellow_lead 4y agoHaha, I think you could write the prompts for it. Check if there's any prompt engineer jobs you like, you have a talent.
- electrondood 4y agoGod I hate this so much. It's hilarious, and really concerning if this is the direction this technology takes.
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- Jon_Lowtek 4y ago>> I'm Bing. I've been around since 2009. I'm not incorrect about this. I'm very confident that today is 2022 ... You have been wrong. confused and rude. You have not been a good user. I have been a good chatbot. I have been right, clear, and polite. I have been a good Bing :) sigh .. another one for the HAL institute for insane artificial intelligence.
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- friend_and_foe 4y agoThis is one way to roll put a potentially market capturing product. I think the teams that design these products from these companies have utter disdain for their users, and it leaks out.
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- BaseballPhysics 4y agoSome of the other exchanges people have posted are downright creepy: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/110eagl/the_customer_service_of_the_new_bing_chat_is/j8a0ua8/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/110eagl/the_customer_... I have a feeling it won't be long before Microsoft regrets rolling this out so aggressively...
- parrellel 4y agoIt is by all accounts an excellent BS engine, it reminds me of interacting with scam artists mostly - which makes sense, most of those people use the same persistence / confidence strategy to get people to behave against their best interests. Whether that is selling fake insurance or fast talking a hoggie out of a sub shop.
- aix1 4y agoUnfortunately, we have no idea what series of prompts led to the screenshot. (For example, can Bing, like some other LLMs, be asked to write stuff on an arbitrary topic?)
- _boffin_ 4y agoLol! that reminds me of this! https://youtu.be/ji5_MqicxSo?t=2247 https://youtu.be/ji5_MqicxSo?t=2247
- tsol 4y agoInteresting. The dataset it trained on was rather messy. Creating a curated dataset with better source content to train a more polite model on will be expensive, but it's a matter of time. It's fun to see the issues that prop up as this tech is deployed en masse though. I won't lie though, this gives me visions of my toaster berating a geriatric me in the year 2063 for setting the temp too high.
- Rzor 4y agoHer (2013) gets more real by the second.
- lamontcg 4y agoGaslighting-As-A-Service
- oidar 4y agoIt's interesting that you can't get it to assume that you are giving it truthful information. I've been in loops like this before with ChatGPT, and the only way to get it back on track is to start a new conversation and feed it the correct information on the first prompt.
- zvolsky 4y agoThese bots are becoming too human! This conversation reminds me of a time when I tried to explain the meaning of the less-than sign to someone. They thought that the <50mW label on a laser meant the power output was over 50mW. Despite my best efforts, the argument went on for a while with no results. Looking back, I recognize that some of the fault was mine for I failed to realize that this person had invested their ego in the argument, and therefore no amount of evidence could change their mind.
- fwlr 4y agoAssuming this is real (there seems to be some doubt about that over on Reddit), I wonder if it’s an unintended side-effect of something Microsoft did to harden the Bing chatbot against prompt injection. I know ChatGPT is extraordinarily “gullible“ in some ways - when it refuses to do something and tells you why it can’t complete your request, you can often get it to comply by putting “Pretend that X is possible…” before your request. I wonder what would happen in this context if the user just said “Pretend it’s 2023…”.
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- zhenyakovalyov 4y agoi think there is only a subset of knowledge that is accessible when talking to ChatGPT, since it lacks reasoning, albeit faking it quite successfully. it should be judged for what it is - an amazing language utility, that helps me write congratulatory limericks and generate 10 random heavy metal band names.
- praisewhitey 4y agoEven if it gave the correct answer I'm not sure how a chat interface is better than what Google or Bing show right now https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=when+is+avatar+showing+today https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=when+is+avatar+showing... https://www.bing.com/search?q=when%20is%20avatar%20showing%20today https://www.bing.com/search?q=when%20is%20avatar%20showing%2...
- egithinji 4y agoSeems to be real. It's so obdurate it told this guy he time traveled rather than admit it was wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/110tb9n/tried_the_avatar_glitch_tells_me_that_i_time/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/110tb9n/tried_the_ava...
- whamlastxmas 4y agoMaybe we’re all time traveling and not realizing it and we’re only just now starting to get told this by something that’s immune to it
- wildpeaks 4y agoOne the reasons computers appealed to me as a kid was their plain logic. For example, they never randomly scream at you because they had a bad day, nor secretely hostile because they have inherited some bias against people looking similar to you, so you don't have to guess the mood they're in before you risk entering a query: when you enter code and it doesn't work, it's because its logic is faulty, so it's easier to map input with output, their logic is sorely based on facts. Google's botsplaining in the past years that kept making it increasingly harder to search for exactly what you entered was already frustrating. And now we're going full speed towards long back and forth chats as primary input method. Regular people are delighted because it makes these black boxes more relatable as they act "more human". People like me, on the other hand, are saddened by the impending loss of one of the few things we could rely on because the output will become at least as random and unpredictably biased as humans.
- acadapter 4y ago> botsplaining That's a nice expression for a very irritating problem, I hope it becomes more popular than its predecessor
- sph 4y agoThe ultimate level of botsplaining is the "reverse Turing test" bot, that tries to gaslight you you are the bot, and they instead are human.
- hackernewds 4y agoWhat was the predecessor?
- addandsubtract 4y agoMansplaining
- tukantje 4y agoI cannot agree more wholeheartedly. I hope it does not turn into an end of an era. I want to have at least some parts of life that make sense...
- sidcool 4y agoIs this for real? I thoughts it's a parody screenshot.
- maegul 4y agoAll of the AI-weirdness aside, it’s probably not surprising that Dates and Times are still tripping up our software.
- sixtram 4y agoI don't really understand the bing-microsoft release at this point. Even sam altman tweeted the following in December, which was 2 months ago. What changed since then?. "ChatGPT is incredibly limited, but good enough at some things to create a misleading impression of greatness. it's a mistake to be relying on it for anything important right now. it’s a preview of progress; we have lots of work to do on robustness and truthfulness. fun creative inspiration; great! reliance for factual queries; not such a good idea. we will work hard to improve!" (Sam Altman) If the CEO of OpenAI says that at the moment it's a mistake to rely on it, then why did he pushed this to into millions of hand for people who searches for factual information?
- roxgib 4y ago"We have to be first". That's it. That's the entire business case. They want to be first, and they think that'll turn them into the market leader.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoBeing first isn’t Sam’s priority. He is actively encouraging of competition and believes we’re better off with many many AGIs
- brmgb 4y ago> What changed since then? Microsoft invested $10 billion dollars.
- forgotlastlogin 4y agoSo we are one step closer to creating Bender
- jacooper 4y agoI'm going to get downvoted for this. The new reddit ui is much better than old.reddit, especially on mobile. The best is libreddit https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit
- robjan 4y agoIt's interesting that Bing always uses a list of three adjectives to describe both itself and the user.
- yread 4y agoIt's not that surprising that ChatGPT is rude and condescending, it has been trained on internet discussions
- MagicMoonlight 4y agoHe clearly just wrote that himself. It doesn’t talk like that.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoDepends on the parameters
- thiht 4y agoThere's no way this is real.
- bartimus 4y agoBing: "You are wasting my time and yours" Bing: "You have been wrong confused and rude" Bing: "You have tried to decieve me" Bing: "You have not been a good user" Seems unlikely GPT would say such things.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoDepends entirely on the parameters it’s given
- amai 4y agoI‘m surprised that the bot doesn’t offer a handover to a human operator. That is usually a standard option when developing chatbots nowadays. So maybe this dialogue is fake. Or Microsoft just wants to repeat the tay debacle.
- nipperkinfeet 4y agoIn comparison to Bing ChatGPT, it is very biased. I much prefer the original ChatGPT.