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To me the downfall of humanity is wall-e was just there to make the movie about robots. I don’t think it had any deeper meaning. I guess at the end they return

To me the downfall of humanity is wall-e was just there to make the movie about robots. I don’t think it had any deeper meaning. I guess at the end they return to earth but only because it’s the logical end of the robot story.

stemlord 4y ago
What. You don't see the climate narrative? The consumerism narrative? It's a literal "off world colony" of degenerated human blobs all watched over by machines of loving grace, who've never seen a live plant let alone looked away from a screen before. It's the most obvious narrative ever. How did you miss it?
- mc32 4y ago
  Ironically Disney is one of the most successful companies promoting consumerism.
  - smackeyacky 4y ago
    I don't think there is any irony in it. No matter what the underlying themes might have been, Disney nakedly used it to sell crap to people who didn't need it while making those people feel good that they too care about the environment. It's just straight up hypocrisy.
  - Oxidation 4y ago
    Andor was pretty confusing in that way. Pretty on-the-nose anti-corporate messaging from Disney, of all organisations. If I had to nominate a current company to "be" Pre-Mor, it would probably be a toss-up between Amazon and Disney, but Disney has the edge for basically owning a Corporate Sector in Florida¹. One wonders if, after all these decades of "fight the evil system" media where it's always the plucky brave underdog individualists against the oppressive corporate/technocrat elite, but often underwritten and funded by those exact types, that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings. ¹: Actually there's probably a gruesome mining multinational that's more similar but they keep their names carefully out of the public consciousness.
    - unsupp0rted 4y ago
      Disney was secure enough in their position that they let Andor through. Now with a 3 billion dollar hole to make up they may or may not continue that magnanimity.
    - mc32 4y ago
      "...that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings." It doesn't seem necessary. The USSR didn't flare off public sentiment -the CCP doesn't. In the USSR, the leadership saw that the system was a dead-end and took it upon itself to winddown/transform even before the people were ready. There were "subcultures" but they were no threat to the system.
    - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
      See this comment from further down this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34765426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34765426
slim 4y ago
seriously? you think Andrew Stanton sit for days writing a screenplay set with a background of consumerism and ecology with the intention of writing another version of romeo and juliette with two robots as protagonists ? generally when an author writes a simple love story, his purpose is to have a backbone for his own message he wants to convey with other contextual elements of the story
- a257 4y ago
  > In the DVD commentary, Stanton said that he has been asked if it was his intention to make a movie about consumerism. His answer was it was not; it was a way to answer the question of how would the Earth get to the state where one robot would be left to continue the cleanup by itself. Nevertheless, some critics have noted an incongruity between the perceived pro-environmental and anti-consumerist messaging of the film, and the environmental impacts in the production and merchandising of the film [1] [1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Themes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Themes)

stemlord 4y ago

What. You don't see the climate narrative? The consumerism narrative? It's a literal "off world colony" of degenerated human blobs all watched over by machines of loving grace, who've never seen a live plant let alone looked away from a screen before. It's the most obvious narrative ever. How did you miss it?

mc32 4y ago
Ironically Disney is one of the most successful companies promoting consumerism.
- smackeyacky 4y ago
  I don't think there is any irony in it. No matter what the underlying themes might have been, Disney nakedly used it to sell crap to people who didn't need it while making those people feel good that they too care about the environment. It's just straight up hypocrisy.
- Oxidation 4y ago
  Andor was pretty confusing in that way. Pretty on-the-nose anti-corporate messaging from Disney, of all organisations. If I had to nominate a current company to "be" Pre-Mor, it would probably be a toss-up between Amazon and Disney, but Disney has the edge for basically owning a Corporate Sector in Florida¹. One wonders if, after all these decades of "fight the evil system" media where it's always the plucky brave underdog individualists against the oppressive corporate/technocrat elite, but often underwritten and funded by those exact types, that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings. ¹: Actually there's probably a gruesome mining multinational that's more similar but they keep their names carefully out of the public consciousness.
  - unsupp0rted 4y ago
    Disney was secure enough in their position that they let Andor through. Now with a 3 billion dollar hole to make up they may or may not continue that magnanimity.
  - mc32 4y ago
    "...that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings." It doesn't seem necessary. The USSR didn't flare off public sentiment -the CCP doesn't. In the USSR, the leadership saw that the system was a dead-end and took it upon itself to winddown/transform even before the people were ready. There were "subcultures" but they were no threat to the system.
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    See this comment from further down this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34765426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34765426

slim 4y ago

seriously? you think Andrew Stanton sit for days writing a screenplay set with a background of consumerism and ecology with the intention of writing another version of romeo and juliette with two robots as protagonists ? generally when an author writes a simple love story, his purpose is to have a backbone for his own message he wants to convey with other contextual elements of the story

a257 4y ago
> In the DVD commentary, Stanton said that he has been asked if it was his intention to make a movie about consumerism. His answer was it was not; it was a way to answer the question of how would the Earth get to the state where one robot would be left to continue the cleanup by itself. Nevertheless, some critics have noted an incongruity between the perceived pro-environmental and anti-consumerist messaging of the film, and the environmental impacts in the production and merchandising of the film [1] [1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Themes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E#Themes)