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Was anyone blown away by any parts of this analysis? It kind of just seems like someone watched the movie and summarized the key messages, which I would hope an

by px43 4y ago

Was anyone blown away by any parts of this analysis? It kind of just seems like someone watched the movie and summarized the key messages, which I would hope any given 8 year old, who the movie is targeted to, would be able to do on their own. I can appreciate that some people like to watch movies just for the flashy lights and silly voices, and might have missed the fact that the movie was trying to make some important points about consumerism. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding who this write-up is targeted to, and I feel like I'm missing some key piece of information that would make everything make sense.

avgcorrection 4y ago
I’m never blown away by Perils Of Cheeseburgers cautionary tales.
datashaman 4y ago
Every YouTube channel has a highest comment where someone describes the obvious message in the video. And everyone piles in and agrees. Many memes have a banner that says: this is funny. We are living in an age where people need signposting of basic meaning.
- enkid 4y ago
  This isn't a new thing. Shakespeare started Romeo and Juliet with a plot synopsis.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  People don't need the signposts. The signs get put up because we reward doing so. Us lemmings give these low effort comments upvotes and virtue points so the monkey brain of the sign-poster is incentivized to do it more. Even on HN is this behavior rampant.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  It’s like that old saying: imagine someone at the 50th percentile of intelligence. Now realize half the people in the (US/other country/world) are less intelligent than they are.
  - fullstackchris 4y ago
    That's ironic of itself: it's signposting the meaning of a very obvious fact / statistical reference (50th percentile)
    - Ancalagon 4y ago
      Hah yeah I suppose so
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    I don’t know how to “imagine someone at the 50th percentile of intelligence”. Is this some second-order joke about how 90% of people consider themselves above average intelligence, including (most likely) the person who is asked to imagine? (This percentage is completely made up.)
- telchior 4y ago
  I don't think this is a bad thing. Even an "obvious" message will have a large percent of viewers who don't get it. And that doesn't necessarily mean they're idiots, as other comments imply: they might be ESL speakers, not from the same culture as the message, children, distracted, neurodivergent, or just... didn't get it. A top explainer comment is also very helpful for people who don't want to commit to watching / reading yet. I'm all about being elitist but shaming "signposting of basic meaning" doesn't make sense to me. Signposts are great.
- HKH2 4y ago
  American movies have tried to spell things out for a long time. It's pretty clear if you watch American remakes. Also, audiences are seemingly so emotionally crippled they can't feel emotion without being played music. That kind of handholding has been around for a long time.
chasd00 4y ago
To me the downfall of humanity is wall-e was just there to make the movie about robots. I don’t think it had any deeper meaning. I guess at the end they return to earth but only because it’s the logical end of the robot story.
- stemlord 4y ago
  What. You don't see the climate narrative? The consumerism narrative? It's a literal "off world colony" of degenerated human blobs all watched over by machines of loving grace, who've never seen a live plant let alone looked away from a screen before. It's the most obvious narrative ever. How did you miss it?
  - mc32 4y ago
    Ironically Disney is one of the most successful companies promoting consumerism.
    - smackeyacky 4y ago
      I don't think there is any irony in it. No matter what the underlying themes might have been, Disney nakedly used it to sell crap to people who didn't need it while making those people feel good that they too care about the environment. It's just straight up hypocrisy.
    - Oxidation 4y ago
      Andor was pretty confusing in that way. Pretty on-the-nose anti-corporate messaging from Disney, of all organisations. If I had to nominate a current company to "be" Pre-Mor, it would probably be a toss-up between Amazon and Disney, but Disney has the edge for basically owning a Corporate Sector in Florida¹. One wonders if, after all these decades of "fight the evil system" media where it's always the plucky brave underdog individualists against the oppressive corporate/technocrat elite, but often underwritten and funded by those exact types, that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings. ¹: Actually there's probably a gruesome mining multinational that's more similar but they keep their names carefully out of the public consciousness.
krackers 4y ago
Felt like a high school book report. It's well written, but not really anything novel. I don't have context for where this was published though, maybe it's supposed to just be a brief summary of key themes.
dvngnt_ 4y ago
lol have you seen an 8 year olds writing
- TwoNineFive 4y ago
  Starting sentences with "lol" and "bro", for example.

by px43 4y ago

avgcorrection 4y ago

I’m never blown away by Perils Of Cheeseburgers cautionary tales.

datashaman 4y ago

Every YouTube channel has a highest comment where someone describes the obvious message in the video. And everyone piles in and agrees. Many memes have a banner that says: this is funny. We are living in an age where people need signposting of basic meaning.

enkid 4y ago
This isn't a new thing. Shakespeare started Romeo and Juliet with a plot synopsis.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
People don't need the signposts. The signs get put up because we reward doing so. Us lemmings give these low effort comments upvotes and virtue points so the monkey brain of the sign-poster is incentivized to do it more. Even on HN is this behavior rampant.
Ancalagon 4y ago
It’s like that old saying: imagine someone at the 50th percentile of intelligence. Now realize half the people in the (US/other country/world) are less intelligent than they are.
- fullstackchris 4y ago
  That's ironic of itself: it's signposting the meaning of a very obvious fact / statistical reference (50th percentile)
  - Ancalagon 4y ago
    Hah yeah I suppose so
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  I don’t know how to “imagine someone at the 50th percentile of intelligence”. Is this some second-order joke about how 90% of people consider themselves above average intelligence, including (most likely) the person who is asked to imagine? (This percentage is completely made up.)
telchior 4y ago
I don't think this is a bad thing. Even an "obvious" message will have a large percent of viewers who don't get it. And that doesn't necessarily mean they're idiots, as other comments imply: they might be ESL speakers, not from the same culture as the message, children, distracted, neurodivergent, or just... didn't get it. A top explainer comment is also very helpful for people who don't want to commit to watching / reading yet. I'm all about being elitist but shaming "signposting of basic meaning" doesn't make sense to me. Signposts are great.
HKH2 4y ago
American movies have tried to spell things out for a long time. It's pretty clear if you watch American remakes. Also, audiences are seemingly so emotionally crippled they can't feel emotion without being played music. That kind of handholding has been around for a long time.

chasd00 4y ago

To me the downfall of humanity is wall-e was just there to make the movie about robots. I don’t think it had any deeper meaning. I guess at the end they return to earth but only because it’s the logical end of the robot story.

stemlord 4y ago
What. You don't see the climate narrative? The consumerism narrative? It's a literal "off world colony" of degenerated human blobs all watched over by machines of loving grace, who've never seen a live plant let alone looked away from a screen before. It's the most obvious narrative ever. How did you miss it?
- mc32 4y ago
  Ironically Disney is one of the most successful companies promoting consumerism.
  - smackeyacky 4y ago
    I don't think there is any irony in it. No matter what the underlying themes might have been, Disney nakedly used it to sell crap to people who didn't need it while making those people feel good that they too care about the environment. It's just straight up hypocrisy.
  - Oxidation 4y ago
    Andor was pretty confusing in that way. Pretty on-the-nose anti-corporate messaging from Disney, of all organisations. If I had to nominate a current company to "be" Pre-Mor, it would probably be a toss-up between Amazon and Disney, but Disney has the edge for basically owning a Corporate Sector in Florida¹. One wonders if, after all these decades of "fight the evil system" media where it's always the plucky brave underdog individualists against the oppressive corporate/technocrat elite, but often underwritten and funded by those exact types, that they're actually deliberately flaring off those public feelings. ¹: Actually there's probably a gruesome mining multinational that's more similar but they keep their names carefully out of the public consciousness.

krackers 4y ago

Felt like a high school book report. It's well written, but not really anything novel. I don't have context for where this was published though, maybe it's supposed to just be a brief summary of key themes.

dvngnt_ 4y ago

lol have you seen an 8 year olds writing

TwoNineFive 4y ago
Starting sentences with "lol" and "bro", for example.