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Nobody believes that 6 million people were exterminated at just Auschwitz. It was a single camp, among many (both for labor and purely for extermination purpose

Nobody believes that 6 million people were exterminated at just Auschwitz. It was a single camp, among many (both for labor and purely for extermination purposes). The number that I’m most familiar with is around 1 million, followed by a similar number for Treblinka, half as many for Belzec, and so on. More Jews (around 1.3m) are believed to have been killed by mass shooting and mobile gas chambers than any individual camp.

matwood 4y ago
> are believed to have been killed by mass shooting Correct. Read "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" to understand the many instances were whole communities were rounded up and killed in the woods nearby. The book is also chilling in other ways.
Khelavaster 4y ago
The point is, people did believe 4 million were killed at Auschwitz through 1990.. "It said the plaques were taken down in line with findings by the Auschwitz State Museum that the number of victims in the two camps in southern Poland actually was 1.1 million to 1.5 million. Of that number, at least 960,000 were Jews, the museum concluded. Previously, plaques in front of the ″International Monument to Victims of Fascism″ spoke of 4 million victims. Poles, not Jews, were listed first among the victimized peoples." https://apnews.com/article/4de24d2430cd2e900602ecf14b1db341 https://apnews.com/article/4de24d2430cd2e900602ecf14b1db341
- woodruffw 4y ago
  It sounds like one non-profit used a misleading number from 1945, and that the plaques commemorating that number were removed over 30 years ago. The overall number of Jews estimated killed during the Holocaust didn't change. Where, precisely, is the grievance?
  - theknocker 4y ago
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  - Khelavaster 4y ago
    Yeah, the nonprofit that ran Auschwitz, whose numbers were repeated worldwide. The grievance is that nobody updated total numbers even when this component was updated.
- bnralt 4y ago
  Based on Soviet officials. From your article: > The figure widely used in Poland of 4 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau was arrived at by a Soviet commission that came to the camp in February 1945, one week after its liberation. > Poland has pressed the Soviets since the 1970s to grant historians access to World War II camp records, which were packed up and taken to the Soviet Union soon after the liberation, Piper said. Which is probably why the plaque came down within months of the communist ruling party being dissolved. Not only should we not use Soviet officials to critique Western historians, but the article even says that Western historians critiqued the number: > Some Western scholars have long questioned the 4 million figure. In fact, that article is a good example of how serious scholars _have_ questioned figures, have been free to do so, and have openly revised figures. The result of those decades of efforts and study is the current historical consensus, which has been pretty well vetted at this point.
optimalsolver 4y ago
To get a glimpse at the incomprehensible inhumanity of these camps, read this interview with an SS officer who worked at the Treblinka death camp: https://religiondocbox.com/73089029-Judaism/Transcript-of-the-shoah-interview-with-franz-suchomel.html https://religiondocbox.com/73089029-Judaism/Transcript-of-th...
- kthejoker2 4y ago
  You can watch Shoah which has the video of this interview on YouTube (interview begins at 4:35:00 at the beginning of part 2) Required viewing. https://youtu.be/FirfB4jSK8Y https://youtu.be/FirfB4jSK8Y

matwood 4y ago

> are believed to have been killed by mass shooting Correct. Read "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" to understand the many instances were whole communities were rounded up and killed in the woods nearby. The book is also chilling in other ways.

Khelavaster 4y ago

The point is, people did believe 4 million were killed at Auschwitz through 1990.. "It said the plaques were taken down in line with findings by the Auschwitz State Museum that the number of victims in the two camps in southern Poland actually was 1.1 million to 1.5 million. Of that number, at least 960,000 were Jews, the museum concluded. Previously, plaques in front of the ″International Monument to Victims of Fascism″ spoke of 4 million victims. Poles, not Jews, were listed first among the victimized peoples." https://apnews.com/article/4de24d2430cd2e900602ecf14b1db341 https://apnews.com/article/4de24d2430cd2e900602ecf14b1db341

woodruffw 4y ago
It sounds like one non-profit used a misleading number from 1945, and that the plaques commemorating that number were removed over 30 years ago. The overall number of Jews estimated killed during the Holocaust didn't change. Where, precisely, is the grievance?
- theknocker 4y ago
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- Khelavaster 4y ago
  Yeah, the nonprofit that ran Auschwitz, whose numbers were repeated worldwide. The grievance is that nobody updated total numbers even when this component was updated.
bnralt 4y ago
Based on Soviet officials. From your article: > The figure widely used in Poland of 4 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau was arrived at by a Soviet commission that came to the camp in February 1945, one week after its liberation. > Poland has pressed the Soviets since the 1970s to grant historians access to World War II camp records, which were packed up and taken to the Soviet Union soon after the liberation, Piper said. Which is probably why the plaque came down within months of the communist ruling party being dissolved. Not only should we not use Soviet officials to critique Western historians, but the article even says that Western historians critiqued the number: > Some Western scholars have long questioned the 4 million figure. In fact, that article is a good example of how serious scholars _have_ questioned figures, have been free to do so, and have openly revised figures. The result of those decades of efforts and study is the current historical consensus, which has been pretty well vetted at this point.

optimalsolver 4y ago

To get a glimpse at the incomprehensible inhumanity of these camps, read this interview with an SS officer who worked at the Treblinka death camp: https://religiondocbox.com/73089029-Judaism/Transcript-of-the-shoah-interview-with-franz-suchomel.html https://religiondocbox.com/73089029-Judaism/Transcript-of-th...

kthejoker2 4y ago
You can watch Shoah which has the video of this interview on YouTube (interview begins at 4:35:00 at the beginning of part 2) Required viewing. https://youtu.be/FirfB4jSK8Y https://youtu.be/FirfB4jSK8Y