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Orville happened because SM has a lot of pull and is a fan and made it happen. And I’m grateful. TNG had the last sparkle of Gene Roddenberry's vision of utopi

by ianai 4y ago

Orville happened because SM has a lot of pull and is a fan and made it happen. And I’m grateful. TNG had the last sparkle of Gene Roddenberry's vision of utopia. It got preachy at times. The sad thing with Picard is just how dark and violent it gets. TNG and the rest were plenty dark, but not the same. I’m frankly pretty sick of the gore nowadays. But if Picard is the only way I get to visit that universe, I guess sign me up. Picard flopping at all isn’t going to stop that only dark/gore crap gets made anymore. Seems no writers or viewers can really do utopia anymore.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
If the writing and story telling of Discovery and Picard weren't so terrible so much of the time I'd be willing to consider them on their own merits as though the rest of Star Trek never happened. I will say that the mirror universe episodes of Discovery were actually a lot of fun. Their writers may be hacks, in my considered opinion of course, but the mirror universe worked well for them. I think they should have done a spinoff that takes place entirely in that universe.
WeylandYutani 4y ago
TNG was a 90s show when the cold war was over and the economy was good. The real world influences writers and creators. Nobody believes in Utopia anymore.
- Schiendelman 4y ago
  Your username really underscores that sentiment!
- Jtsummers 4y ago
  TNG started as an 80s show and went into the 90s. It first aired in 1987, still during the Cold War, and had 4 seasons out before the Cold War is usually considered as ended. Three seasons aired after the Cold War. It was utopian even before the Cold War had ended, not just after and not because of its ending.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Star Trek was always hopeful though, even back in the 60s when the civil rights movement was in full swing, during a cultural revolution, and in the middle of the Vietnam war. Star Trek wasn't loved for its utopian ideals because people had a lot of hope for the world, it was loved because it helped give them hope that they could create such a world if they tried.
tjpnz 4y ago
As much as I disliked the violence it was the politics that did me in. I generally agree with what they're saying, but the way in which they're saying it says a lot about the respect they have for their audience. That's probably why Orville felt like such a breath of fresh air to me.

by ianai 4y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

If the writing and story telling of Discovery and Picard weren't so terrible so much of the time I'd be willing to consider them on their own merits as though the rest of Star Trek never happened. I will say that the mirror universe episodes of Discovery were actually a lot of fun. Their writers may be hacks, in my considered opinion of course, but the mirror universe worked well for them. I think they should have done a spinoff that takes place entirely in that universe.

WeylandYutani 4y ago

TNG was a 90s show when the cold war was over and the economy was good. The real world influences writers and creators. Nobody believes in Utopia anymore.

Schiendelman 4y ago
Your username really underscores that sentiment!
Jtsummers 4y ago
TNG started as an 80s show and went into the 90s. It first aired in 1987, still during the Cold War, and had 4 seasons out before the Cold War is usually considered as ended. Three seasons aired after the Cold War. It was utopian even before the Cold War had ended, not just after and not because of its ending.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Star Trek was always hopeful though, even back in the 60s when the civil rights movement was in full swing, during a cultural revolution, and in the middle of the Vietnam war. Star Trek wasn't loved for its utopian ideals because people had a lot of hope for the world, it was loved because it helped give them hope that they could create such a world if they tried.

tjpnz 4y ago

As much as I disliked the violence it was the politics that did me in. I generally agree with what they're saying, but the way in which they're saying it says a lot about the respect they have for their audience. That's probably why Orville felt like such a breath of fresh air to me.