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> anxiety is something you have First, everybody is capable of anxiety and that's normal and to be expected in the current climate. > a scale up that leaned w

> anxiety is something you have First, everybody is capable of anxiety and that's normal and to be expected in the current climate. > a scale up that leaned woke [...] When layoffs happened, it was basically an all out mental health crisis, with everyone feeding into everyone else's anxiety. Second, having an anxiety disorder is not a moral or behavioral failure and I don't see necessarily how it could be correlated to "wokeness". > When you squeeze an orange, orange juice comes out because that's what an orange is made off. If extreme anxiety comes out when you are squeezed, it was there all along. Again, this analogy doesn't make sense. It's totally normal for oranges to be full of orange juice. It would be weird if something else (or no thing at all) came out... Same with anxiety - it's normal for people to be stressed out in a stressful situation. It's not necessarily healthy, but should be expected. Otoh, having an anxiety disorder is not a normal psychological state, but that's something that shows up all the time, not just when you're "squeezed".

discordance 4y ago
Maybe not clearly expressed, but I took the parents point about mental preparedness and environment being big factors in dealing with anxiety, generally, and layoffs.
swatcoder 4y ago
I responded to them too, but I think their point is that some people have an internal sense of resilience, or a constructed foundation of security, that makes them less susceptible to anxiety in the face of unexpected change. You’re right that this doesn’t mean that people who are more anxious have somehow failed morally or behaviorally, and also right that nobody is immune to anxiety altogether. But I don’t think they were saying those things. They were just saying that some people are capable of navigating stuff like job loss with confidence and sharing their experience of environments that seemed to have proportionately more or less of those people. I do think that on net it read as dismissive to the real personal experience of the “oranges” who are highlighted in the article, but also think you’re responding to things that weren’t said there.
- xyzelement 4y ago
  Thank you for articulating what I was saying better than I did. You are exactly right in what I am saying and there's a part of me that hopes some people are inspired by this information to build up their resilience
- leto_ii 4y ago
  > their point is that some people have an internal sense of resilience, or a constructed foundation of security This may be true, but I think that this is also something that can be learned, at least to a good degree. Personally I feel I have managed to become less anxiety-prone through conscious effort and introspective work. Being an "orange" is not an immutable fact.
georgeburdell 4y ago
OP’s mention of wokeness is relevant. Liberals are more likely to have mental health issues https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/202103/personality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-els... (References at the bottom)
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Probably because they are more likely seek and have access to mental health resources and help (hence the ability to have their problems “identified”). Then you have a high gun suicide rate among conservatives (who have easier access to guns than mental health resources). Selection bias in your data is a huge problem.

discordance 4y ago

Maybe not clearly expressed, but I took the parents point about mental preparedness and environment being big factors in dealing with anxiety, generally, and layoffs.

swatcoder 4y ago

I responded to them too, but I think their point is that some people have an internal sense of resilience, or a constructed foundation of security, that makes them less susceptible to anxiety in the face of unexpected change. You’re right that this doesn’t mean that people who are more anxious have somehow failed morally or behaviorally, and also right that nobody is immune to anxiety altogether. But I don’t think they were saying those things. They were just saying that some people are capable of navigating stuff like job loss with confidence and sharing their experience of environments that seemed to have proportionately more or less of those people. I do think that on net it read as dismissive to the real personal experience of the “oranges” who are highlighted in the article, but also think you’re responding to things that weren’t said there.

xyzelement 4y ago
Thank you for articulating what I was saying better than I did. You are exactly right in what I am saying and there's a part of me that hopes some people are inspired by this information to build up their resilience
leto_ii 4y ago
> their point is that some people have an internal sense of resilience, or a constructed foundation of security This may be true, but I think that this is also something that can be learned, at least to a good degree. Personally I feel I have managed to become less anxiety-prone through conscious effort and introspective work. Being an "orange" is not an immutable fact.

georgeburdell 4y ago

OP’s mention of wokeness is relevant. Liberals are more likely to have mental health issues https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/202103/personality-traits-mental-illness-and-ideology https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-els... (References at the bottom)

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Probably because they are more likely seek and have access to mental health resources and help (hence the ability to have their problems “identified”). Then you have a high gun suicide rate among conservatives (who have easier access to guns than mental health resources). Selection bias in your data is a huge problem.