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I mean maybe I'm just not up to date on recent history, but when was the last time we shot down anything in our our airspace prior to last week?

ejb999 4y ago
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- neogodless 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_conspiracy_theo...
  - leetrout 4y ago
    From that very link you can find info on the recent litigation accusing the government of an errant missile hit. There is enough evidence to bring forth the suit whether you agree it is a conspiracy or not. https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-surviving-family-members-sue-feds-raytheon-and-lockheed-martin-over-1996-twa-crash/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-survivin...
    - partiallypro 4y ago
      Civil suits are incredibly easy to push through (which is why there are various civil suits from assassinations and murders, even if the underlaying accused person/entity was found innocent), it doesn't mean it happened.
      - pasquinelli 4y ago
        yeah, but false stuff also gets reported all the time, so how does one decide what to believe?
      - WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
        You in the US need a law that orders whoever loses a civil lawsuits pay all the expenses to the winning side.
    - staticman2 4y ago
      Without have an opinion on the topic I'll just point out it doesn't require evidence to file a lawsuit, only the ability to fill out paperwork.
      - leetrout 4y ago
        re: evidence, I'm just quoting what the article says: The wrongful death suit claims that Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) evidence has "emerged proving that TWA 800’s explosion was not caused by any defect in the airplane, but instead by an errant United States missile fired at aerial target drones flying nearby." I am curious to see how this turns out and how it is refuted.
        wpietri 4y ago
        Oh, the people suing claim they have a reason to sue? How unusual.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
WW2, I think
yamtaddle 4y ago
Can't find anything remotely recent on a list of shoot-down incidents on Wikipedia (aside from these balloons), but I'd not be surprised if a few smuggling-related drones have been shot down in the last couple decades, depending on what we're counting.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Shoot down a smuggling drone? Better to track it and arrest all involved than possibly drop drugs/guns onto some random neighborhood.
pvaldes 4y ago
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  - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
    I doubt that. There are no reports or sightings and there are no leaks. Someone would have leaked that if it occurred.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
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      - nyokodo 4y ago
        > Either it was shoot down, or would have been later The jets were scrambled in such a hurry to intercept Flight 93 that they weren’t loaded with ammunition. I’m afraid that the plan was to collide the fighters with the plane if necessary. It was a suicide mission. [1] However, we have plenty of evidence that the passengers resisted and in the course of that the plane crashed. 1. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fighter-pilot-reflects-911-suicide-mission/story?id=79898230 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fighter-pilot-reflects-911-sui...
        qchris 4y ago
        I'd also recommend taking a look at "The Only Plane in the Sky" by Garrett Graff, which is an oral history of 9/11; basically, a huge number of in-person interviews that construct a timeline of the days leading up to, during, and after 9/11, including those of the pilots who went up in the fighters, knowing that should they need to, mid-air collision was the only option if they needed to intercept something. For what it's worth: a great read, but a tough one. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a book link, but Politico [1] has an excerpt if you're interested. [1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-onl...
TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
Why did you think it would be publicized if we had?
- jacobsenscott 4y ago
  Because blowing shit up is awesome, and gets votes.
- joenot443 4y ago
  Well this one was publicized, I imagine if the same thing happened in the 90s it would have made the news. But who knows really, maybe the US govt is better at hiding its secrets than I give it credit for.
irrational 4y ago
Maybe Japanese fire balloons during WWII? "One of the most unusual military actions of World War II came in the form of Japanese balloon bombs, or “Fugos,” directed at the mainland United States. Starting in 1944, the Japanese military constructed and launched over 9,000 high-altitude balloons, each loaded with nearly 50 pounds of anti-personnel and incendiary explosives. Amazingly, these unmanned balloons originated from over 5,000 miles away in the Japanese home islands. After being launched, the specially designed hydrogen balloons would ascend to an altitude of 30,000 feet and ride the jet stream across the Pacific Ocean to the mainland United States. Their bombs were triggered to drop after the three-day journey was complete—hopefully over a city or wooded region that would catch fire. Nearly 350 of the bombs actually made it across the Pacific, and several were intercepted or shot down by the U.S. military. From 1944 to 1945, balloon bombs were spotted in more than 15 states—some as far east as Michigan and Iowa. The only fatalities came from a single incident in Oregon, where a pregnant woman and five children were killed in an explosion after coming across one of the downed balloons. Their deaths are considered the only combat casualties to occur on U.S. soil during World War II." https://www.history.com/news/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-world-war-ii https://www.history.com/news/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-wo...
- sandworm101 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevan_Point_lighthouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevan_Point_lighthouse Much like this story, many Japanese planners did not appreciate the vast size of the American west. A hundred random firebombs were basically irrelevant compared to the many thousands of yearly lighting strikes that also regularly cause fires. Who knows how many Japanese balloons are out there hanging from some tree undiscovered.
  - refurb 4y ago
    The other good story about remoteness https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt German sub drops off a team in 1943 to install a weather station on Newfoundland. Wasnt discovered until 35 years later only because some scholar found reference to it in the German archives.
nycdatasci 4y ago
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- electrondood 4y ago
  Technically 4th, since there were 3 other Chinese spy balloons during the Trump presidency that they didn't even know about until later.
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
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    - calgarymicro 4y ago
      The Pentagon showed during the whole Afghanistan situation that they are perfectly comfortable making Biden look bad to the press. I see no reason why they would lie to run cover for him now.
      - mikrotikker 4y ago
        Well I meant more the MSM than the pentagon but regardless they just do whatever suits the narrative at the time don't they?
dingaling 4y ago
On the contrary there was the infamous Battle of Palmdale in 1956 wherein the USAF failed to shoot-down a rogue drone https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-11-me-then11-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-11-me-then1...
- jaclaz 4y ago
  Thank you, didm't know about this episode. The site of the people that found the remains of the plane is online and has a nice old-times look (with frames): https://www.thexhunters.com/ https://www.thexhunters.com/ https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_accident.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_accident.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_hunt.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_hunt.html

ejb999 4y ago

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neogodless 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_conspiracy_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_conspiracy_theo...
- leetrout 4y ago
  From that very link you can find info on the recent litigation accusing the government of an errant missile hit. There is enough evidence to bring forth the suit whether you agree it is a conspiracy or not. https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-surviving-family-members-sue-feds-raytheon-and-lockheed-martin-over-1996-twa-crash/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/citing-new-evidence-survivin...
  - partiallypro 4y ago
    Civil suits are incredibly easy to push through (which is why there are various civil suits from assassinations and murders, even if the underlaying accused person/entity was found innocent), it doesn't mean it happened.
    - pasquinelli 4y ago
      yeah, but false stuff also gets reported all the time, so how does one decide what to believe?
    - WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
      You in the US need a law that orders whoever loses a civil lawsuits pay all the expenses to the winning side.
  - staticman2 4y ago
    Without have an opinion on the topic I'll just point out it doesn't require evidence to file a lawsuit, only the ability to fill out paperwork.
    - leetrout 4y ago
      re: evidence, I'm just quoting what the article says: The wrongful death suit claims that Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) evidence has "emerged proving that TWA 800’s explosion was not caused by any defect in the airplane, but instead by an errant United States missile fired at aerial target drones flying nearby." I am curious to see how this turns out and how it is refuted.
      - wpietri 4y ago
        Oh, the people suing claim they have a reason to sue? How unusual.

Rebelgecko 4y ago

WW2, I think

yamtaddle 4y ago

Can't find anything remotely recent on a list of shoot-down incidents on Wikipedia (aside from these balloons), but I'd not be surprised if a few smuggling-related drones have been shot down in the last couple decades, depending on what we're counting.

sandworm101 4y ago
Shoot down a smuggling drone? Better to track it and arrest all involved than possibly drop drugs/guns onto some random neighborhood.

pvaldes 4y ago

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pvaldes 4y ago
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- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  I doubt that. There are no reports or sightings and there are no leaks. Someone would have leaked that if it occurred.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
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    - nyokodo 4y ago
      > Either it was shoot down, or would have been later The jets were scrambled in such a hurry to intercept Flight 93 that they weren’t loaded with ammunition. I’m afraid that the plan was to collide the fighters with the plane if necessary. It was a suicide mission. [1] However, we have plenty of evidence that the passengers resisted and in the course of that the plane crashed. 1. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fighter-pilot-reflects-911-suicide-mission/story?id=79898230 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/fighter-pilot-reflects-911-sui...
      - qchris 4y ago
        I'd also recommend taking a look at "The Only Plane in the Sky" by Garrett Graff, which is an oral history of 9/11; basically, a huge number of in-person interviews that construct a timeline of the days leading up to, during, and after 9/11, including those of the pilots who went up in the fighters, knowing that should they need to, mid-air collision was the only option if they needed to intercept something. For what it's worth: a great read, but a tough one. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a book link, but Politico [1] has an excerpt if you're interested. [1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-onl...

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

Why did you think it would be publicized if we had?

jacobsenscott 4y ago
Because blowing shit up is awesome, and gets votes.
joenot443 4y ago
Well this one was publicized, I imagine if the same thing happened in the 90s it would have made the news. But who knows really, maybe the US govt is better at hiding its secrets than I give it credit for.

irrational 4y ago

Maybe Japanese fire balloons during WWII? "One of the most unusual military actions of World War II came in the form of Japanese balloon bombs, or “Fugos,” directed at the mainland United States. Starting in 1944, the Japanese military constructed and launched over 9,000 high-altitude balloons, each loaded with nearly 50 pounds of anti-personnel and incendiary explosives. Amazingly, these unmanned balloons originated from over 5,000 miles away in the Japanese home islands. After being launched, the specially designed hydrogen balloons would ascend to an altitude of 30,000 feet and ride the jet stream across the Pacific Ocean to the mainland United States. Their bombs were triggered to drop after the three-day journey was complete—hopefully over a city or wooded region that would catch fire. Nearly 350 of the bombs actually made it across the Pacific, and several were intercepted or shot down by the U.S. military. From 1944 to 1945, balloon bombs were spotted in more than 15 states—some as far east as Michigan and Iowa. The only fatalities came from a single incident in Oregon, where a pregnant woman and five children were killed in an explosion after coming across one of the downed balloons. Their deaths are considered the only combat casualties to occur on U.S. soil during World War II." https://www.history.com/news/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-world-war-ii https://www.history.com/news/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-wo...

sandworm101 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevan_Point_lighthouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevan_Point_lighthouse Much like this story, many Japanese planners did not appreciate the vast size of the American west. A hundred random firebombs were basically irrelevant compared to the many thousands of yearly lighting strikes that also regularly cause fires. Who knows how many Japanese balloons are out there hanging from some tree undiscovered.
- refurb 4y ago
  The other good story about remoteness https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt German sub drops off a team in 1943 to install a weather station on Newfoundland. Wasnt discovered until 35 years later only because some scholar found reference to it in the German archives.

nycdatasci 4y ago

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electrondood 4y ago
Technically 4th, since there were 3 other Chinese spy balloons during the Trump presidency that they didn't even know about until later.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
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  - calgarymicro 4y ago
    The Pentagon showed during the whole Afghanistan situation that they are perfectly comfortable making Biden look bad to the press. I see no reason why they would lie to run cover for him now.
    - mikrotikker 4y ago
      Well I meant more the MSM than the pentagon but regardless they just do whatever suits the narrative at the time don't they?

dingaling 4y ago

On the contrary there was the infamous Battle of Palmdale in 1956 wherein the USAF failed to shoot-down a rogue drone https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-11-me-then11-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-11-me-then1...

jaclaz 4y ago
Thank you, didm't know about this episode. The site of the people that found the remains of the plane is online and has a nice old-times look (with frames): https://www.thexhunters.com/ https://www.thexhunters.com/ https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_accident.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_accident.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_hunt.html https://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_hunt.html