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Seattle has so many intersections that are completely bonkers. They’re not only poorly walkable, they also make driving extremely stressful.

goostavos 4y ago
Queen Anne has a 7-way stop! The first time I encountered it I was thoroughly stumped. Actually, I'm still stumped years later every time I go through it. At some point, I just commit and hope for the best.
- calt 4y ago
  Sounds like it used to function as something of a roundabout, and America forgotten how to navigate yielding to traffic coming from a relative direction (i.e. people already in the roundabout from your left) instead of someone always having the right of way, or the weird turn-taking stress of an all-way stop.
  - buildbot 4y ago
    If they are talking about the intersection I think, a roundabout would not work because some inputs are major road offramps, others are side streets, and the intersection is basically super narrow as all of them merge together. There just would not be enough space!
  - mjevans 4y ago
    Roundabout; Cars in the roundabout ALREADY have the right of way. Everyone entering is yielding to the street they're T-ing into. Exit, in theory, is from right of way into a dedicated path. Only self driving cars, or better licensing tests for drivers can save us from this. Every N years drivers probably should need to re-test, including a physical practical test in a standard unit (from the DMV) for parking and to see how the driver responds if driving a rental car that they aren't familiar with.
  - eastof 4y ago
    No, this area has a ton roundabouts, this was just poor planning. Supporting your point about Americans not knowing how to use them though, I see many people cut these roundabouts in this neighborhood. Meaning they will just turn left directly instead of actually going around. This is super scary when they're going fast and you're coming from the street they're turning into.
    - patja 4y ago
      Seattle proper has no proper/modern roundabouts. It has hundreds of traffic calming circles which are often confused with roundabouts, but are not in the same class. Roundabouts have dividers at each entry/exit point which are lacking in neighborhood traffic calming circles. https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabou... Technically you can go any way around a traffic calming circle you want to, because they are too small to accommodate delivery trucks going counterclockwise. It is highly recommended to go counterclockwise if you can, but not legally required. They have no more legal significance than a speed bump.
      - ultrarunner 4y ago
        This stuff boggles the mind. Make a way to get around that's easier, realize it's too easy and causing problems, so then hobble it ineffectively— thus creating frustration but also retaining the danger. All the while watching ads about 300 hp luxury work trucks and "sport" vehicles. What a bizarre slice of modern life.
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- ruined 4y ago
  here's an aerial video of the queen anne 7-way https://vimeo.com/124481186 https://vimeo.com/124481186 (it's sped up, i recommend 0.5x speed)
  - eastof 4y ago
    I pity all those coming from the right side of the screen (I believe that is southbound but I avoid that intersection so I haven't driven through in a while) at ground level that's the scariest direction to come from.
- bears-n-beets 4y ago
  Ha, I pass through this stop on my work commute. Glad to see it getting recognition as being completely bonkers. It’s not easy to keep track of the order in which the six other cars arrived at the intersection. Most of the time someone just slowly inches forward until it seems everyone else agrees it’s that person’s turn and then they floor it the rest of the way through. I’m surprised there aren’t more accidents here. It’s on a hill, too.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  Two of the roads could easily be closed without inconveniencing anyone. The space saved could align the remaining roads into almost a 4-way stop, or a roundabout. https://www.google.com/maps/place/2563+Queen+Anne+Dr,+Seattle,+WA+98109,+USA/@47.6428105,-122.3496436,18z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x5490150f8cea412f:0x166ce842b9ea7314!8m2!3d47.6427278!4d-122.3498288!16s%2Fg%2F11h4nld7kd https://www.google.com/maps/place/2563+Queen+Anne+Dr,+Seattl...
sbierwagen 4y ago
Seattle's street plan is so stupid it has its own wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle >These three grid patterns (due north, 32 degrees west of north, and 49 degrees west of north) are the result of a disagreement between David Swinson "Doc" Maynard, whose land claim lay south of Yesler Way, and Arthur A. Denny and Carson D. Boren, whose land claims lay to the north (with Henry Yesler and his mill soon brought in between Denny and the others):[2] Denny and Boren preferred that their streets follow the Elliott Bay shoreline, while Maynard favored a grid based on the cardinal directions for his (mostly flat, mostly wet) claim. All three were competing to have the downtown built on their land.
- fsckboy 4y ago
  my favorite street layout in Seattle is that a part of it got named "Tangletown" (there's a rip in the fabric of the continuum of the big grid right there)
  - dag11 4y ago
    Maps link: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6683919,-122.3316273,16.6z https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6683919,-122.3316273,16.6z
Gigachad 4y ago
Do you guys not have red light cameras? Australia has them everywhere so running a red light is almost never seen.
- loeg 4y ago
  We do not have many red light cameras, although there is some recent talk of increasing them (and rolling out speed enforcement cameras). There are a handful.
  - marssaxman 4y ago
    Too many.
- mulmen 4y ago
  Washington takes privacy and the presumption of innocence seriously. You can read the relevant state law here: https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.63.170 https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.63.170. The cameras can't take pictures of the driver or occupants and court time is accrued when anyone other than the registered owner committed the infraction: (f) Automated traffic safety cameras may only take pictures of the vehicle and vehicle license plate and only while an infraction is occurring. The picture must not reveal the face of the driver or of passengers in the vehicle. The primary purpose of camera placement is to take pictures of the vehicle and vehicle license plate when an infraction is occurring. Cities and counties shall consider installing cameras in a manner that minimizes the impact of camera flash on drivers. An officer has to actually review the photos: (g) A notice of infraction must be mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle within 14 days of the violation, or to the renter of a vehicle within 14 days of establishing the renter's name and address under subsection (3)(a) of this section. The law enforcement officer issuing the notice of infraction shall include with it a certificate or facsimile thereof, based upon inspection of photographs, microphotographs, or electronic images produced by an automated traffic safety camera, stating the facts supporting the notice of infraction. This certificate or facsimile is prima facie evidence of the facts contained in it and is admissible in a proceeding charging a violation under this chapter. The photographs, microphotographs, or electronic images evidencing the violation must be available for inspection and admission into evidence in a proceeding to adjudicate the liability for the infraction. A person receiving a notice of infraction based on evidence detected by an automated traffic safety camera may respond to the notice by mail. So automated cameras don't scale and are only deployed where they are most needed.
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danielodievich 4y ago
My favorite intersection in Seattle is the most awesome Bellevue/Bellevue/Bellevue. Yes it's real https://goo.gl/maps/o4doz6JNfaezyRjf8 https://goo.gl/maps/o4doz6JNfaezyRjf8

goostavos 4y ago

Queen Anne has a 7-way stop! The first time I encountered it I was thoroughly stumped. Actually, I'm still stumped years later every time I go through it. At some point, I just commit and hope for the best.

calt 4y ago
Sounds like it used to function as something of a roundabout, and America forgotten how to navigate yielding to traffic coming from a relative direction (i.e. people already in the roundabout from your left) instead of someone always having the right of way, or the weird turn-taking stress of an all-way stop.
- buildbot 4y ago
  If they are talking about the intersection I think, a roundabout would not work because some inputs are major road offramps, others are side streets, and the intersection is basically super narrow as all of them merge together. There just would not be enough space!
- mjevans 4y ago
  Roundabout; Cars in the roundabout ALREADY have the right of way. Everyone entering is yielding to the street they're T-ing into. Exit, in theory, is from right of way into a dedicated path. Only self driving cars, or better licensing tests for drivers can save us from this. Every N years drivers probably should need to re-test, including a physical practical test in a standard unit (from the DMV) for parking and to see how the driver responds if driving a rental car that they aren't familiar with.
- eastof 4y ago
  No, this area has a ton roundabouts, this was just poor planning. Supporting your point about Americans not knowing how to use them though, I see many people cut these roundabouts in this neighborhood. Meaning they will just turn left directly instead of actually going around. This is super scary when they're going fast and you're coming from the street they're turning into.
  - patja 4y ago
    Seattle proper has no proper/modern roundabouts. It has hundreds of traffic calming circles which are often confused with roundabouts, but are not in the same class. Roundabouts have dividers at each entry/exit point which are lacking in neighborhood traffic calming circles. https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabouts https://wsdot.wa.gov/travel/traffic-safety-methods/roundabou... Technically you can go any way around a traffic calming circle you want to, because they are too small to accommodate delivery trucks going counterclockwise. It is highly recommended to go counterclockwise if you can, but not legally required. They have no more legal significance than a speed bump.
    - ultrarunner 4y ago
      This stuff boggles the mind. Make a way to get around that's easier, realize it's too easy and causing problems, so then hobble it ineffectively— thus creating frustration but also retaining the danger. All the while watching ads about 300 hp luxury work trucks and "sport" vehicles. What a bizarre slice of modern life.
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ruined 4y ago
here's an aerial video of the queen anne 7-way https://vimeo.com/124481186 https://vimeo.com/124481186 (it's sped up, i recommend 0.5x speed)
- eastof 4y ago
  I pity all those coming from the right side of the screen (I believe that is southbound but I avoid that intersection so I haven't driven through in a while) at ground level that's the scariest direction to come from.
bears-n-beets 4y ago
Ha, I pass through this stop on my work commute. Glad to see it getting recognition as being completely bonkers. It’s not easy to keep track of the order in which the six other cars arrived at the intersection. Most of the time someone just slowly inches forward until it seems everyone else agrees it’s that person’s turn and then they floor it the rest of the way through. I’m surprised there aren’t more accidents here. It’s on a hill, too.
Symbiote 4y ago
Two of the roads could easily be closed without inconveniencing anyone. The space saved could align the remaining roads into almost a 4-way stop, or a roundabout. https://www.google.com/maps/place/2563+Queen+Anne+Dr,+Seattle,+WA+98109,+USA/@47.6428105,-122.3496436,18z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x5490150f8cea412f:0x166ce842b9ea7314!8m2!3d47.6427278!4d-122.3498288!16s%2Fg%2F11h4nld7kd https://www.google.com/maps/place/2563+Queen+Anne+Dr,+Seattl...

sbierwagen 4y ago

Seattle's street plan is so stupid it has its own wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle >These three grid patterns (due north, 32 degrees west of north, and 49 degrees west of north) are the result of a disagreement between David Swinson "Doc" Maynard, whose land claim lay south of Yesler Way, and Arthur A. Denny and Carson D. Boren, whose land claims lay to the north (with Henry Yesler and his mill soon brought in between Denny and the others):[2] Denny and Boren preferred that their streets follow the Elliott Bay shoreline, while Maynard favored a grid based on the cardinal directions for his (mostly flat, mostly wet) claim. All three were competing to have the downtown built on their land.

fsckboy 4y ago
my favorite street layout in Seattle is that a part of it got named "Tangletown" (there's a rip in the fabric of the continuum of the big grid right there)
- dag11 4y ago
  Maps link: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6683919,-122.3316273,16.6z https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6683919,-122.3316273,16.6z

Gigachad 4y ago

Do you guys not have red light cameras? Australia has them everywhere so running a red light is almost never seen.

loeg 4y ago
We do not have many red light cameras, although there is some recent talk of increasing them (and rolling out speed enforcement cameras). There are a handful.
- marssaxman 4y ago
  Too many.
mulmen 4y ago
Washington takes privacy and the presumption of innocence seriously. You can read the relevant state law here: https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.63.170 https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.63.170. The cameras can't take pictures of the driver or occupants and court time is accrued when anyone other than the registered owner committed the infraction: (f) Automated traffic safety cameras may only take pictures of the vehicle and vehicle license plate and only while an infraction is occurring. The picture must not reveal the face of the driver or of passengers in the vehicle. The primary purpose of camera placement is to take pictures of the vehicle and vehicle license plate when an infraction is occurring. Cities and counties shall consider installing cameras in a manner that minimizes the impact of camera flash on drivers. An officer has to actually review the photos: (g) A notice of infraction must be mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle within 14 days of the violation, or to the renter of a vehicle within 14 days of establishing the renter's name and address under subsection (3)(a) of this section. The law enforcement officer issuing the notice of infraction shall include with it a certificate or facsimile thereof, based upon inspection of photographs, microphotographs, or electronic images produced by an automated traffic safety camera, stating the facts supporting the notice of infraction. This certificate or facsimile is prima facie evidence of the facts contained in it and is admissible in a proceeding charging a violation under this chapter. The photographs, microphotographs, or electronic images evidencing the violation must be available for inspection and admission into evidence in a proceeding to adjudicate the liability for the infraction. A person receiving a notice of infraction based on evidence detected by an automated traffic safety camera may respond to the notice by mail. So automated cameras don't scale and are only deployed where they are most needed.

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danielodievich 4y ago

My favorite intersection in Seattle is the most awesome Bellevue/Bellevue/Bellevue. Yes it's real https://goo.gl/maps/o4doz6JNfaezyRjf8 https://goo.gl/maps/o4doz6JNfaezyRjf8