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Where does it go from marketing to lying?

by llampx 4y ago

cwillu 4y ago
“Make it clear if asked that you're not the freelancer” is that point. I'm not sure if it even crosses over to fraud: “Material Misrepresentation means an act of intentional hiding or fabrication of a material fact which, if known to the other party, could have terminated, or significantly altered the basis of a contract, deal, or transaction.”
- logicalmonster 4y ago
  > “Make it clear if asked that you're not the freelancer” is that point. What's the actual difference between a freelancer and a consultant? If you call yourself a freelancer, you're a freelancer. If you call yourself a consultant, you're a consultant. You're not a freelancer by virtue of you labeling yourself as a consultant. How is it a lie to say you're not a freelancer if you're calling yourself a consultant?
  - cwillu 4y ago
    There's a difference between deciding whether you're a consultant or a freelancer today, and deciding that you're an agency of multiple people trust me bro I'm not even the freelancer that might be assigned.
    - logicalmonster 4y ago
      How is it a lie to, if asked, say that you have access to a pool of consultants and freelancers? Is this not true? It might be a lie if you say "I've worked with them 20 times before and trust them with my life and they're all currently on my payroll" but that's not what I suggested to say.
      - cwillu 4y ago
        You can argue how many grains of sand make a pile, but that vagueness doesn't mean that one grain is a pile, especially when you _know_ and are _banking_ on the other party not sharing that meaning.
Smeevy 4y ago
As soon as you're saying something that isn't true. The guidance to "present yourself as bigger than you are" isn't bad, but it's not going to take any adult long to figure out that the same guy who responds to technical questions is the same one who submits invoices and receives tax paperwork. That sort of "fake it 'til you make it" manipulation is part of the value that these middlemen provide. The hiring company gets a disposable individual contributor and the middleman puts up with silliness like what's described here. If someone lied to get your business then you can be confident that they'll lie to keep it.

Where does it go from marketing to lying?

by llampx 4y ago

Where does it go from marketing to lying?

“Make it clear if asked that you're not the freelancer” is that point. I'm not sure if it even crosses over to fraud: “Material Misrepresentation means an act of intentional hiding or fabrication of a material fact which, if known to the other party, could have terminated, or significantly altered the basis of a contract, deal, or transaction.”

logicalmonster 4y ago
> “Make it clear if asked that you're not the freelancer” is that point. What's the actual difference between a freelancer and a consultant? If you call yourself a freelancer, you're a freelancer. If you call yourself a consultant, you're a consultant. You're not a freelancer by virtue of you labeling yourself as a consultant. How is it a lie to say you're not a freelancer if you're calling yourself a consultant?
- cwillu 4y ago
  There's a difference between deciding whether you're a consultant or a freelancer today, and deciding that you're an agency of multiple people trust me bro I'm not even the freelancer that might be assigned.
  - logicalmonster 4y ago
    How is it a lie to, if asked, say that you have access to a pool of consultants and freelancers? Is this not true? It might be a lie if you say "I've worked with them 20 times before and trust them with my life and they're all currently on my payroll" but that's not what I suggested to say.
    - cwillu 4y ago
      You can argue how many grains of sand make a pile, but that vagueness doesn't mean that one grain is a pile, especially when you _know_ and are _banking_ on the other party not sharing that meaning.

Smeevy 4y ago

As soon as you're saying something that isn't true. The guidance to "present yourself as bigger than you are" isn't bad, but it's not going to take any adult long to figure out that the same guy who responds to technical questions is the same one who submits invoices and receives tax paperwork. That sort of "fake it 'til you make it" manipulation is part of the value that these middlemen provide. The hiring company gets a disposable individual contributor and the middleman puts up with silliness like what's described here. If someone lied to get your business then you can be confident that they'll lie to keep it.