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So we should assume that it is intended?

by GTP 4y ago

rjzzleep 4y ago
Remember when the CDU politicians celebrated when they successfully lobbied for upload filters for their publisher friends in the EU? Why should not assume that its intended？Plenty of McKinsey consultants around to make sure governments don't use too much FOSS to keep paying those nice license fees to MS.
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  Notably, for that there are tiers depending on the number of users or revenue.
- GTP 4y ago
  >Plenty of McKinsey consultants around to make sure governments don't use too much FOSS to keep paying those nice license fees to MS. Maybe, but remember that Ursula von der Leyen herself has been advocating for a while for EU's "digital sovereignty" (not having to depend on products and services form non-EU countries) and the easiest way to achieve that would be to heavily rely on FOSS.
  - account42 4y ago
    > and the easiest way to achieve that would be to heavily rely on FOSS. But is it also the most profitable way for politicians.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    Ursula just like Macron has been involved in McKinsey scandals, the outcome of which was shoveling money to McKinsey and decimating the German military. Iirc her son was a partner or something. Ursula says all sorts of crazy stuff. The last year of Ursula policies have made sure that the EU is everything BUT sovereign. They are now fully dependent on the US MIC and fully dependent on US resource and energy imports at any price or terms the US wishes. Looks like everyone here has forgotten that the EU copyright stance is basically to shovel money to the US. I really wish people here would judge politicians by the outcome of their actions and not by what they say. https://torrentfreak.com/europes-odd-anti-piracy-stance-send-money-to-the-us-110904/ https://torrentfreak.com/europes-odd-anti-piracy-stance-send...
AdrianB1 4y ago
EU regulators are not shy of ignoring side-effects, so intention is not likely but negligence is widespread. EU loves to regulate even for the sake or regulating; it was even listed as one of the reasons listed behind Brexit, even if that is a completely different story.
- simiones 4y ago
  > EU loves to regulate even for the sake or regulating; it was even listed as one of the reasons listed behind Brexit, even if that is a completely different story. Some proof of that would be nice. The phrase "it was even listed as one of the reasons for Brexit" sends my personal prior in the direction of it being a lie, though I am quite willing to adjust if there is some evidence.
  - vaylian 4y ago
    I'm also skeptical. Most EU laws take a very long time to be negotiated, because different countries bring forward different needs/desires. But I do think it is hard for the average citizen to notice that there is a new law being drafted that could have bad consequences for one's personal life circumstances.
    - redeeman 4y ago
      the EU regulates the speed at which you are allowed to vacuum clean your house. until 2009 there was regulation about how curved cucumbers are allowed to be(amongst other vegetables). Its blindingly obvious that the system has run so amok that it ought to be criminal
- imtringued 4y ago
  This is one of the things that the UK could have simply vetoed on.
  - blibble 4y ago
    not true, this is an EU competency so is under Qualified Majority Voting rules
RobotToaster 4y ago
I'm saying we shouldn't assume either way. So we shouldn't rule out it being intentional.
throw_m239339 4y ago
> So we should assume that it is intended? Regulatory capture. It's very much intended by whoever really drafted that bill.

So we should assume that it is intended?

by GTP 4y ago

So we should assume that it is intended?

Remember when the CDU politicians celebrated when they successfully lobbied for upload filters for their publisher friends in the EU? Why should not assume that its intended？Plenty of McKinsey consultants around to make sure governments don't use too much FOSS to keep paying those nice license fees to MS.

BlueTemplar 4y ago
Notably, for that there are tiers depending on the number of users or revenue.
GTP 4y ago
>Plenty of McKinsey consultants around to make sure governments don't use too much FOSS to keep paying those nice license fees to MS. Maybe, but remember that Ursula von der Leyen herself has been advocating for a while for EU's "digital sovereignty" (not having to depend on products and services form non-EU countries) and the easiest way to achieve that would be to heavily rely on FOSS.
- account42 4y ago
  > and the easiest way to achieve that would be to heavily rely on FOSS. But is it also the most profitable way for politicians.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  Ursula just like Macron has been involved in McKinsey scandals, the outcome of which was shoveling money to McKinsey and decimating the German military. Iirc her son was a partner or something. Ursula says all sorts of crazy stuff. The last year of Ursula policies have made sure that the EU is everything BUT sovereign. They are now fully dependent on the US MIC and fully dependent on US resource and energy imports at any price or terms the US wishes. Looks like everyone here has forgotten that the EU copyright stance is basically to shovel money to the US. I really wish people here would judge politicians by the outcome of their actions and not by what they say. https://torrentfreak.com/europes-odd-anti-piracy-stance-send-money-to-the-us-110904/ https://torrentfreak.com/europes-odd-anti-piracy-stance-send...

AdrianB1 4y ago

EU regulators are not shy of ignoring side-effects, so intention is not likely but negligence is widespread. EU loves to regulate even for the sake or regulating; it was even listed as one of the reasons listed behind Brexit, even if that is a completely different story.

simiones 4y ago
> EU loves to regulate even for the sake or regulating; it was even listed as one of the reasons listed behind Brexit, even if that is a completely different story. Some proof of that would be nice. The phrase "it was even listed as one of the reasons for Brexit" sends my personal prior in the direction of it being a lie, though I am quite willing to adjust if there is some evidence.
- vaylian 4y ago
  I'm also skeptical. Most EU laws take a very long time to be negotiated, because different countries bring forward different needs/desires. But I do think it is hard for the average citizen to notice that there is a new law being drafted that could have bad consequences for one's personal life circumstances.
  - redeeman 4y ago
    the EU regulates the speed at which you are allowed to vacuum clean your house. until 2009 there was regulation about how curved cucumbers are allowed to be(amongst other vegetables). Its blindingly obvious that the system has run so amok that it ought to be criminal
imtringued 4y ago
This is one of the things that the UK could have simply vetoed on.
- blibble 4y ago
  not true, this is an EU competency so is under Qualified Majority Voting rules

RobotToaster 4y ago

I'm saying we shouldn't assume either way. So we shouldn't rule out it being intentional.

throw_m239339 4y ago

> So we should assume that it is intended? Regulatory capture. It's very much intended by whoever really drafted that bill.