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David Guetta uses ChatGPT and uberduck.ai to deepfake Eminem rap for DJ set
- AndyPa32 4y agoMaybe I am late to recognize that, but with recent developments I get the feeling that AI and machine learning are really getting somewhere now. If it goes forward with the current trajectory, then this could change the world just like radio, television or the internet did.
- nashashmi 4y agoThose things advanced average people’s reach. This is not doing that.
- BlueTemplar 4y agoDon't we already have useful (YMMV) models that can run on an average gaming desktop ?
- nashashmi 4y agoImagine in the future when we will have AI ways of doing things locally on our smartphones, how would this be similar to radio/tv/internet changing everything?
- 13years 4y agoHow so, isn't that exactly what it is doing to an even greater degree? Those who would never have the capability of doing something are now able to do something they only dreamed about. It is exactly the inverse of previous advancements, in that those already at the top don't get nearly as much benefit as those at the bottom since I will be able to copy your skill no matter how good you are and reproduce it infinitely.
- bufferoverflow 4y agoI think you're wrong. These AIs are available to everyone. So anyone can create studio quality audio by clicking around. If anything, it potentially puts big studios out of business. Itunes and and Spotify and Youtube become the distribution channels.
- DeRock 4y agoThe internet broke down the barriers to content distribution. AI will break down the barriers to content creation. The future will not be "look I made an AI song that millions of people are listening to!" but will be "AI create and play me a song of my favorite rapper overlaid onto of my favorite techno genre" and you'll just listen to it yourself.
- lern_too_spel 4y agoToday, right now, you can have a language model create lyrics to "AI killed the Internet star," a TTS model sing it in the style of The Buggles, and a single channel blind source separation model replace the voice track. Tomorrow, you will just talk to your voice assistant running an action transformer to have it done for you.
- pachico 4y agoI think I need an Explain like I'm 5 of why people like this and is willing to pay money for it.
- SnowHill9902 4y agoDon’t try to understand it.
- sekai 4y agoPeople enjoy different things, let's let them
- pachico 4y agoHardly an explanation. I really wanted to understand.
- CrypticShift 4y agoRappers built their music (literary) over others’ samples. Now it is their turn to be "creatively" used.
- hdlothia 4y agoRappers had to pay for those samples
- CrypticShift 4y agoNot in the 80s TMK (between the first samplers and first lawsuits). Now what will this be called ? stealing voice style ?
- hdlothia 4y agoThat's a great point it will be interesting to see how laws and norms evolve
- mvc 4y agoKinda like how IP only became a thing once the US started producing it.
- thfuran 4y agoIt was always a thing in the US. It's in the constitution.
- CrypticShift 4y agoOnly for local goods. There was no international copyright until the late 1800s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Copyright_Act_of_1891 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Copyright_Act_of...
- dawurstman 4y ago“This is the future rave sound” Then plays a weak ass progressive psytrance drop from 2011
- kaoD 4y agoFunny thing is according to Wikipedia David Guetta coined the term so... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_rave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_rave
- rchaud 4y agoAs long he doesn't somehow end up producing future posthumous 2pac albums...
- brailsafe 4y agoBetter call the genre police, don't want to get caught enjoying something
- hoerzu 4y agoWhich Huggingface Space for voice cloning works best for you? https://huggingface.co/spaces/haoheliu/audioldm-text-to-audio-generation https://huggingface.co/spaces/haoheliu/audioldm-text-to-audi...
- jameshart 4y agoNobody listens to techno
- seydor 4y agoWhen I do it, nobody cares :(
- malthaus 4y ago*david guetta's ghost producer
- spaceman_2020 4y agoGuetta, like most big DJs, definitely uses ghost producers. But he also very obviously knows how to produce as well. And if you are a producer, you're likely technically savvy enough to figure out basic AI tools.
- ggrelet 4y agoWhat claim do you have to say that? Here is a 30-minute lecture from the guy recording himself producing a track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEhLdITOac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEhLdITOac
- spaceman_2020 4y agoTo be fair, the way he's moving around Ableton is very noobish. But maybe that's just because he's trying to show views.
- throw_m239339 4y ago> What claim do you have to say that? Here is a 30-minute lecture from the guy recording himself producing a track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEhLdITOac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEhLdITOac Joachim Garraud, among others, has been producing David Guetta's tracks for 20 years.
- jameshart 4y agoSuspect Eminem himself would have a more nuanced take on this than the ‘of course this is okay’ or ‘this is never okay’ responses it’s getting right here. Number 1: Hip hop’s built (to at least as great an extent as EDM) on sampling. And while the degree of respect for clearing and getting authorization to use samples has varied over the years and between artists, as a reference point, Eminem’s breakthrough ‘My Name Is’ uses a Labi Siffre sample as its hook, and Eminem altered the lyrics and content when requested to make changes by Siffre (who is gay, and did not want to be associated with homophobic slurs, for example) in order to get clearance to use it. So there’s evidence there is some basic respect for the artist you’re borrowing from over and above just doing the minimum the law allows or asserting your rights over them. So you know, it might have been nice for Guetta to call and let him know, you know? 2: he’s also part of a culture of musical insults and attacks and rap battle dissing, where throwing out names of other artists and making jokes about them (and worse) is part of the game (see my tongue-in-cheek sibling comment ‘nobody listens to techno’, which is an Eminem lyric about Moby of all people). So he’s more likely to just drop a mean word about David Guetta in a track in the future and call it even than to take him to court. Which would have the advantage of giving Guetta an awesome sample he could drop into future sets, and so the whole cycle completes.
- creaghpatr 4y ago>So he’s more likely to just drop a mean word about David Guetta in a track in the future and call it even than to take him to court. He could use AI to produce a track in the style of David Guetta and rap over that, would be pretty clever.
- citizenkeen 4y agoAs Guetta notes on Twitter, he's not releasing this commercially. Both hip hop and EDM have a huge culture of sampling live things they couldn't sample and release on an album. Eminem has rapped over songs he doesn't own at concerts.
- justaj 4y ago> As Guetta notes on Twitter, he's not releasing this commercially. Yet he used it on stage, on a gig he's getting paid for. How is that not using it commercially?
- gondolgames 4y agoA YouTuber called "30 Hertz" has been making several fake Eminem songs (+other artists) for 2 years now, in very good quality. An example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMunOszEQHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMunOszEQHE
- rcarr 4y agoWhich one of you is going to make a real time AI rap battle website? I want to see AI Mark Grist slay some more teenagers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4wEewrQdU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4wEewrQdU
- pwillia7 4y agoOh -- so when David Guetta does it on stage it's interesting now? :P https://reticulated.net/dailyai/gpt3-uberduck-linux-gangster-rap/ https://reticulated.net/dailyai/gpt3-uberduck-linux-gangster...
- pwillia7 4y agoI will also say -- UberDuck and AI TTS in general, when compared to the SURGE of development and tools that's happened on the image/video side of AI, is TERRIBLE. UberDuck's community specifically seems geared towards kids making memes -- I suspect they just ended up there and didn't design it that way, but wading through the terrible user created models to find ones that work was tiresome. I tried to get https://coqui.ai/ https://coqui.ai/ setup to do similar things, but have not been successful. Surely this will all explode in the next 18 mo max
- brailsafe 4y agoWow, people seem so ready to be aggro about Guetta or ai or w/e. Disappointing that people can't get past their high school opinions and have some fun. Check out his sets from Dubai and so on over the pandemic, Ultra, etc.. Dude brings good vibes, relax
- sometimeshuman 4y agoThe video reference the common ChatGPT "in the style of" prompt. Is there a list of what "styles" ChatGPT's model has been trained on ? Or is this information not disclosed since it would be an admission that ChatGPT has been trained on copyrighted lyrics, etc. by which is produces these derivative results ?
- oezi 4y agoRemember it is just a stochastic model. The prompt "in the style of" + any word just makes it more likely that certain words will be predicted next. If it never heard the name Eminem or read any of the lyrics it couldn't predict anything similar.
- maronato 4y agoYou can ask ChatGPT which artists it’s able to emulate, and it’ll tell you. I asked for a few sample lyrics from its list and they were all as good as you’d expect.
- testbjjl 4y agoChatGPT can emulate rappers who use versus create new language, metaphors and expressions. It’s a natural impression twice distilled from its origin, a lived experience.
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- c7b 4y agoI believe David Guetta that he was really just playing around with these cool tools here (who isn't blown away by them?). But I guess it won't go unnoticed by the teams and investors of uberduck and other AI startups that this is the perfect guerilla marketing stunt. Gotta admit it, I am guilty too, never heard of uberduck before and caught myself creating an account and browsing their pricing site today.
- profstasiak 4y agowhat makes you think it wasnt sponsored by uberduck?
- pictur 4y agoThis guy is a lot dumber than I thought. Sharing the theft he committed from his own account is another level of retardation.
- canadiantim 4y agoThat's supremely dope. Wish he could release it commercially
- adultSwim 4y agoUberduck's homepage has a demo of "Eminem" rapping for a bank ad. Without the artist's explicit approval and compensation, I'm deeply uncomfortable.
- knaik94 4y agoThe rules for live DJ sets is very different from copyright rules that limit published music. This is the same as when artists use samples of meme audio, which otherwise would be copyrighted. Guetta has a long very large body of work and deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the question of Eminem okaying it. He very clearly wants there to be a discussion about this. Celebrity impersonators for singing have been a thing for a long time. This isn’t about one artist in particular. I was playing with Tortoise TTS and was genuinely surprised by how good it is with just a few minutes of clean audio. It didn’t take me hours to train or fine tune, the generation step is sort of long, 5-7 minutes for 30 seconds, but it feels really similar to stable diffusion where you do quick test with slow samples and iterations to find a decent seed, and then you let it do a more complete regeneration. It’s zero shot generation that ran on my laptop 2070 max q and i7 10750h. It’s not perfect but it’s believable when layered with music. https://github.com/152334H/tortoise-tts-fast https://github.com/152334H/tortoise-tts-fast
- tagami 4y agoTiffany Blue® is a registered mark for a specific color. Using something like fourier transform, can a unique voice be trademarked?
- danrocks 4y agoNone of this is music anyway.
- tomduncalf 4y agoI saw this via a LinkedIn post which said it used ChatGPT and uberduck.ai, the search on there doesn’t seem to work for posts so I can’t find the original source unfortunately, but it would make sense that he used those tools
- raverbashing 4y agoI don't see why he would need ChatGPT, seems like a short enough snippet to just write it yourself
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoAll The Cool Kids Are Using It so he needs to, as well.
- input_sh 4y agoI'd bet he got more lyrics than that from ChatGPT, but was unable to make Uberduck "rap" something that matches the rhythm in any meaningful capacity. So he ended up using just a short snippet of the output. Even the real Eminem sounds horrible around that speed (~130 BPM), you're way more likely to hear a Drake mashup in that range (or up-until-recently Kanye). I know these sorts of famous AI voice generators don't have the notion of speed or rhythm, but I'd still bet AI-generated Drake would've been much easier to work with.
- n4r9 4y agoIf what you can hear in the video is the full extent of the playable lyrics, I'm struggling to see what's impressive about this.
- Zetobal 4y agoYou can do it yourself use a track of your fav rapper without background music and feed it into tortoise-tts and play with the heat.
- tomduncalf 4y agoInteresting, hadn’t heard of Tortoise TTS. You can use something like Meta’s Demucs to extract the vocal from a full track in surprisingly good quality too.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y agoBut who will those gansta rappers turn to, should some hn-gansta steal there IP, likeness and ID? We should create a retribution gang, that rolls up with flashing lights and distributes punishment. They could hang out at strip clubs and cocktailbars while not needed. We could call it pole-ICE.. History producing strange staircase humor.. But these moments, they were what they told me to expect, when the singularity begins to dance through the streets..
- _joel 4y agoYou could use https://vocalremover.org/ https://vocalremover.org/ to remove music. I've used it for sampling speech out of tv programmes with background audio and the results are immense.
- tshanmu 4y agosounds interesting - but no privacy policy etc. looks a bit dodgy..
- notpushkin 4y agoWhoa, tried https://vocalremover.org/splitter-ai https://vocalremover.org/splitter-ai on a couple tracks and it sounds better than Spleeter, Demucs and Serato. What model do they use?
- _joel 4y agoNo idea, I'm afraid.
- nextstep 4y agoAnyone got a link to a longer clip of the actual audio?
- _old_dude_ 4y agoHe played it last month at Santiago de Chile.
- justinclift 4y agoSkimming through the available Youtube videos for that, it's not showing up. :/
- drcongo 4y agoMy favourite thing about this is how proud he is of copying this idea from a million people on TikTok.
- vanjajaja1 4y agoThe pride isn't from creating it from what I saw, the pride is from finding something that was very popular. He said in an interview that it was a throwaway gag he did and wasn't expecting much from it.
- prepend 4y agoIt seems similar to the DJ process though, right? Their creation process involves sampling, mixing, curating, etc. so the novelty is in figuring it out and getting it to work with his set. I’m sure the first person to release a rap record felt proud even though they were copying lots of people who were rapping on the street. The novelty here is being the first dj to do this for his crowd, not that he invented the process. So it’s exciting to him and the people in the audience.
- thatswrong0 4y agoI mean.. there’s a reason that others haven’t really done this as far as I know and that he only used a tiny sample for a couple seconds: the output from AI voice generation generally has a ton of artifacts and isn’t something you’d want to play on a festival sized sound system for more than a few seconds. So he basically did the only acceptable thing I’d consider doing with this and.. it’s just not that interesting?
- prepend 4y agoIt’s certainly your prerogative to not find it interesting and your feelings are valid. However, I think it’s interesting and can’t wait to see more djs and even new artists using this technique to create some neat art. And of course, it looks like there are tens of thousands of fans in that stadium who seemed kind of interesting. I don’t think statistical sanity is a good measure for value, especially art, but I don’t think it’s noteworthy that you don’t find it interesting.
- tlarkworthy 4y agoThe music industry will not like this, seems like a short circuit around royalties and the value of a music deal with an artist.
- iamben 4y agoThis case is probably pretty relevant right now - and this is with an impersonator and the right to use the song: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/27/yung-gravy-sued-by-rick-astley-signature-voice-betty-get-money-never-gonna-give-you-up https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/27/yung-gravy-sue...
- whazor 4y agoThis seems very close to remixing or covering music, which already happens on a big scale, with royalties in place. If they can clearly recognize someone's voice/style, then they would want a piece of the pie. Outside the law, music industry still has a lot of power, and platforms like Spotify are not going to risk those relationships.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoIt’s too late, this is just advanced remixing.
- realusername 4y agoSure but that existed before, you could always ask somebody else to write you a song in the style of Eminem to use in your own song, the difference is how easy it became. For somebody like David Guetta, it always has been financially possible.
- giancarlostoro 4y agoOn the other hand, you might be able to clear royalties quicker, so long as you emphasize its AI with permission, now nobody has to spend money on studio time recording new vocals for some one off DJ remix.
- zorr 4y agoWhich artist will be the first to sell a licensed LLM (and other models?) trained on their own discography?
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- yreg 4y agoI think the significance is that something we have been excitedly debating and closely observing for years on this forum is starting to pop up everywhere in the mainstream culture.
- onion2k 4y agoNobody listens to techno!
- prmoustache 4y agoLast time I checked, David Guetta was not producing techno. Eventually he spends most of his time with his arm in the air so calling him a dj is a huge stretch too.
- nextstep 4y agoThe comment you’re replying to is an Eminem lyric; it’s a joke.
- prmoustache 4y agoDidn't knew that, thanks! Pretty sure someone electronic artist will have had it remixed right? edit: took me 30s to find several of them on youtube.
- amelius 4y ago"Good artists copy, great artists steal"
- aphroz 4y agoYou should remove the quotes then
- SnowHill9902 4y agoHe’s just a good artist.
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- amelius 4y agoYou mean, if I agreed with it.
- say_it_as_it_is 4y agoI just want an entirely new collection of music by the AI formerly known as Prince so that we can move the lawsuits forward and rule in favor of the new-creator. Derivative works will win. Prince will roll in his grave.