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Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

by favaq 4y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.
- favaq 4y ago
  >You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. >You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother? >And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers Disagree.
  - satvikpendem 4y ago
    On phones, just as on desktops, there is no way I'm visiting any web page, or using YouTube, without uBlock Origin or SponsorBlock. Couple that with other stuff like YouTube Vanced or Tachiyomi, and I'll keep my Android over an iPhone.
  - miloignis 4y ago
    > I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. Most people already have USB-C cables. Apple people often have them b/c of a MacBook or w/e. > On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother? Dark Mode, Ad Blocking, etc. > Disagree Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it.
    - hot_gril 4y ago
      > Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it. I will switch to Android if I ever need the ability to use my phone like a PC. So far (10-ish years), that hasn't happened.
      - BanazirGalbasi 4y ago
        There is an increasing trend of younger generations using phones for tasks that we'd use computers for. I've even heard of cases where students write short essays using Google Docs and their phone rather than pulling out their laptops (although I can't verify these stories). Some social apps (like Hive, an attempted Twitter replacement) don't even have desktop/web versions and require using the mobile app to interact. While you don't use your phone like a PC, I think there's a strong case to be made for allowing for that kind of functionality. However, like you said - you don't need to switch if you don't need that capability. I personally install a lot of apps from FDroid or straight from APK files, but I don't use my phone like a PC like I just described. The range varies, and having that flexibility is nice.
        hot_gril 4y ago
        Yes some people do work tasks on a phone. There's a difference between that and using a phone like a PC. They aren't moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc. They're still doing things the locked-down way, so the iPhone is fine for them, in fact younger people tend to prefer that.
      - miloignis 4y ago
        You are of course free to do whatever you like, but I would like to mention the two dangers I see with that approach: 1. If no-one uses the free version until it's necessary, it might decline and die, and then won't be around to save you. I'd say this is the Firefox / Chrome dynamic currently. 2. If you don't have the freesom to do something, you might not know what you're missing. Re: your comment in another branch, I have done all of "moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc" on my phone in the past 24 hours, and had a great time doing it.
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- neither_color 4y ago
  You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. In practical terms that doesn't really happen. People still use device specific cables. If I have 4 USB-C devices and one lightning device I have 5 cables. If I replace the lightning device with a USB-C device, I still have 5 cables. The only time "cable consolidation" matters is when traveling or in a backpack. My USB-C security cameras need their dedicated cables, my Oculus Quest needs a dedicated 16 ft cable, my random amazon junk device cables don't support the PD that my laptop requires, etc. By forcing everyone to use the same tips without enforcing featuresets all its doing is confusing consumers even more. To all my older relatives and non-tech savvy friends, an iPhone cable is an iPhone cable. It's way less confusing than figuring out the right power brick wattage and cable combination and wondering why this USB-C cable doesn't transmit video to that monitor.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    Yeah but at least you can charge with any of them. Even when you find a Lightning cable, there's a good chance it won't charge for whatever bs reason. That's the only thing I care about. Syncing is over wifi anyway.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      You have a lot more faith in random USB-C cables than I've experienced in practice.
      - hot_gril 4y ago
        I've never had a -C cable fail to charge the Android phone I have for work, and I use all sorts of random ones, often adapted from -A.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    I just have a 65W USB-C by my couch, which I use for everything. Charge my computer while on my lap, or my phone if it needs some more juice, my gopro after biking, my headset, my nintendo switch. Sooo convenient. One cable, works for every gadget I have.
- jboy55 4y ago
  > You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. Its far too early to claim USB-C will be the final version of USB cabling? Looking around, I have devices that use USB Type B (Scanner) USB Mini B (charging wireless keyboard), USB Micro B (PS4 controller, Fire Tablet, Arduinos/Raspi), USB 3.0 Type A (Flash Drives), USB 3.0 Type B (Astro camera), USB 3.0 Micro B (SATA->USB device), Many of these end with a USB Type A, but not all. And of course, the "final version", USB-C (Oculus, Pixel, Macbook). And I have a bunch of USBA-USB-C cables and converting plugs. And of course I have lightning devices, some older than the USB Type B Scanner.
- rodgerd 4y ago
  > You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. My car has a lightning dock. Guess I should throw the car away. That's the easy thing, right?
satvikpendem 4y ago
Phones are computers.

Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

by favaq 4y ago

Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.

favaq 4y ago
>You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. >You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother? >And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers Disagree.
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  On phones, just as on desktops, there is no way I'm visiting any web page, or using YouTube, without uBlock Origin or SponsorBlock. Couple that with other stuff like YouTube Vanced or Tachiyomi, and I'll keep my Android over an iPhone.
- miloignis 4y ago
  > I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years. Most people already have USB-C cables. Apple people often have them b/c of a MacBook or w/e. > On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother? Dark Mode, Ad Blocking, etc. > Disagree Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    > Freedom is important, even if you don't need it now. Someone else, maybe you in the future, may need it. I will switch to Android if I ever need the ability to use my phone like a PC. So far (10-ish years), that hasn't happened.
    - BanazirGalbasi 4y ago
      There is an increasing trend of younger generations using phones for tasks that we'd use computers for. I've even heard of cases where students write short essays using Google Docs and their phone rather than pulling out their laptops (although I can't verify these stories). Some social apps (like Hive, an attempted Twitter replacement) don't even have desktop/web versions and require using the mobile app to interact. While you don't use your phone like a PC, I think there's a strong case to be made for allowing for that kind of functionality. However, like you said - you don't need to switch if you don't need that capability. I personally install a lot of apps from FDroid or straight from APK files, but I don't use my phone like a PC like I just described. The range varies, and having that flexibility is nice.
      - hot_gril 4y ago
        Yes some people do work tasks on a phone. There's a difference between that and using a phone like a PC. They aren't moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc. They're still doing things the locked-down way, so the iPhone is fine for them, in fact younger people tend to prefer that.
    - miloignis 4y ago
      You are of course free to do whatever you like, but I would like to mention the two dangers I see with that approach: 1. If no-one uses the free version until it's necessary, it might decline and die, and then won't be around to save you. I'd say this is the Firefox / Chrome dynamic currently. 2. If you don't have the freesom to do something, you might not know what you're missing. Re: your comment in another branch, I have done all of "moving stuff around a file browser, installing ad-hoc apps, opening a command line, etc" on my phone in the past 24 hours, and had a great time doing it.
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neither_color 4y ago
You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. In practical terms that doesn't really happen. People still use device specific cables. If I have 4 USB-C devices and one lightning device I have 5 cables. If I replace the lightning device with a USB-C device, I still have 5 cables. The only time "cable consolidation" matters is when traveling or in a backpack. My USB-C security cameras need their dedicated cables, my Oculus Quest needs a dedicated 16 ft cable, my random amazon junk device cables don't support the PD that my laptop requires, etc. By forcing everyone to use the same tips without enforcing featuresets all its doing is confusing consumers even more. To all my older relatives and non-tech savvy friends, an iPhone cable is an iPhone cable. It's way less confusing than figuring out the right power brick wattage and cable combination and wondering why this USB-C cable doesn't transmit video to that monitor.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Yeah but at least you can charge with any of them. Even when you find a Lightning cable, there's a good chance it won't charge for whatever bs reason. That's the only thing I care about. Syncing is over wifi anyway.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    You have a lot more faith in random USB-C cables than I've experienced in practice.
    - hot_gril 4y ago
      I've never had a -C cable fail to charge the Android phone I have for work, and I use all sorts of random ones, often adapted from -A.
- matsemann 4y ago
  I just have a 65W USB-C by my couch, which I use for everything. Charge my computer while on my lap, or my phone if it needs some more juice, my gopro after biking, my headset, my nintendo switch. Sooo convenient. One cable, works for every gadget I have.
jboy55 4y ago
> You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. Its far too early to claim USB-C will be the final version of USB cabling? Looking around, I have devices that use USB Type B (Scanner) USB Mini B (charging wireless keyboard), USB Micro B (PS4 controller, Fire Tablet, Arduinos/Raspi), USB 3.0 Type A (Flash Drives), USB 3.0 Type B (Astro camera), USB 3.0 Micro B (SATA->USB device), Many of these end with a USB Type A, but not all. And of course, the "final version", USB-C (Oculus, Pixel, Macbook). And I have a bunch of USBA-USB-C cables and converting plugs. And of course I have lightning devices, some older than the USB Type B Scanner.
rodgerd 4y ago
> You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. My car has a lightning dock. Guess I should throw the car away. That's the easy thing, right?

satvikpendem 4y ago

Phones are computers.