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> UI isn't a fashion show. Yes, it is. At least, it is for UI designers.

by Veen 4y ago

squarefoot 4y ago
Only for UI designers who put aesthetics before usability.
- toss1 4y ago
  IOW, for most UI designers on current software products. Very few changes I see these days actually improve anything; they are merely change for the sake of providing evidence to justify the UI designers' salaries. If something already works, and we know how to use it, there had better be a damn good reason for changing it, because you are burdening thousands, millions, or even billions of people with yet another entirely unnecessary learning task in our already over-stressed lives. We are far past the time when the new version of X will be seen by orders of magnitude more users than the previous version, so it'll be only the minority that have to relearn, and the majority will enjoy the improved UI (assuming that the new stuff is actually an improvement; BIG assumption). Today, most of it will burden existing users. You want to make the colors prettier, add a dark/night mode, round the corners, highlight things a bit better? Wonderful. Just don't mess with the organization.
  - VyseofArcadia 4y ago
    > Just don't mess with the organization. And don't mess with discoverability and ergonomics. I hate buttons that don't look like buttons, controls littering the title bar so that I can't use it to move the window, etc etc
oaiey 4y ago
Also for the users. For my part, I appreciate if stuff looks modern. I understand the whitespace madness complaints, but a software which looks like 1999 is not something I want to work with. There is a degree of modern style needed because Thunderbird does not exist in a vacuum. Windows evolved, macOS evolved, iPhone/Android look different than 1997 Windows .. which Thunderbird looked like the last years.
- Lammy 4y ago
  For anyone else who likes 1997-Windows-style software and can tolerate shareware, try Becky! Internet Mail: http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Meanwhile, the only major website my elderly dad, who didn't really start using the Web until something like 2015, can use unassisted with a fair amount of confidence, is Craigslist. I'm skeptical that normal, non-technical users actually benefit from or even prefer all this crap. Someone does, but I'm not convinced it's them.
- qu4z-2 4y ago
  Next you'll be moving my steering wheel 'cause my neighbour repainted his house.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
Ok, but whilst you wear your clothes out in front of people (a literal fashion show), few people parade their MUA's UI in front of their friends, do they? Like, get check the chrome in my mail program guys...??

> UI isn't a fashion show. Yes, it is. At least, it is for UI designers.

by Veen 4y ago

> UI isn't a fashion show. Yes, it is. At least, it is for UI designers.

squarefoot 4y ago

Only for UI designers who put aesthetics before usability.

toss1 4y ago
IOW, for most UI designers on current software products. Very few changes I see these days actually improve anything; they are merely change for the sake of providing evidence to justify the UI designers' salaries. If something already works, and we know how to use it, there had better be a damn good reason for changing it, because you are burdening thousands, millions, or even billions of people with yet another entirely unnecessary learning task in our already over-stressed lives. We are far past the time when the new version of X will be seen by orders of magnitude more users than the previous version, so it'll be only the minority that have to relearn, and the majority will enjoy the improved UI (assuming that the new stuff is actually an improvement; BIG assumption). Today, most of it will burden existing users. You want to make the colors prettier, add a dark/night mode, round the corners, highlight things a bit better? Wonderful. Just don't mess with the organization.
- VyseofArcadia 4y ago
  > Just don't mess with the organization. And don't mess with discoverability and ergonomics. I hate buttons that don't look like buttons, controls littering the title bar so that I can't use it to move the window, etc etc

oaiey 4y ago

Also for the users. For my part, I appreciate if stuff looks modern. I understand the whitespace madness complaints, but a software which looks like 1999 is not something I want to work with. There is a degree of modern style needed because Thunderbird does not exist in a vacuum. Windows evolved, macOS evolved, iPhone/Android look different than 1997 Windows .. which Thunderbird looked like the last years.

Lammy 4y ago
For anyone else who likes 1997-Windows-style software and can tolerate shareware, try Becky! Internet Mail: http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
yamtaddle 4y ago
Meanwhile, the only major website my elderly dad, who didn't really start using the Web until something like 2015, can use unassisted with a fair amount of confidence, is Craigslist. I'm skeptical that normal, non-technical users actually benefit from or even prefer all this crap. Someone does, but I'm not convinced it's them.
qu4z-2 4y ago
Next you'll be moving my steering wheel 'cause my neighbour repainted his house.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

Ok, but whilst you wear your clothes out in front of people (a literal fashion show), few people parade their MUA's UI in front of their friends, do they? Like, get check the chrome in my mail program guys...??