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Kareem understands that life is a collaborative game, not a zero-sum game. This is extra special coming from an athlete whose career was in excelling in a zero-

by avelis 4y ago

Kareem understands that life is a collaborative game, not a zero-sum game. This is extra special coming from an athlete whose career was in excelling in a zero-sum game.

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awb 4y ago
To be fair, it’s much easier to have a collaborative view on life once you’re financially independent or have exceeded your goals. The unpaid college star that couldn’t make the NBA and is now struggling to make ends meet might not see life as a collaborative game.
- dasil003 4y ago
  This has some truth to it, but it’s also a cynical middle-brow dismissal. Plenty of rich are ultra competitive and plenty of poor people are collaborative. Also, older are generally a bit mellower and reflective, but even teenagers can demonstrate good team work and community thinking. A viewpoint like Kareem’s should be celebrated, not doused with cynicism.
- za3faran 4y ago
  He's a Muslim, and Islam gives you that collaborative and content outlook.
- lib-dev 4y ago
  Nah I think you have it backwards. The ones who make it have that mindset throughout.
  - awb 4y ago
    I don’t think your theory explains angry rich people or cutthroat billionaires or self-indulgent winners or any successful person who’s ever evolved from being mean to being nice. We’re celebrating Kareem for how unique he is in his outlook because it’s so rare.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
      > > We’re celebrating Kareem for how unique he is in his outlook because it’s so rare. How is he unique? No human could possibly still milking an achievement 35 years into past. Financially maybe, but brain juice wise not so much. Led Zeppelin hate to play Stairway to Heaven and Eagles have come to hate Hotel California and Tom Brady is for sure tired to explain for the 1000th time the game winning drive against the St.Louis Rams in SuperBowl 2001. There is a reason why all the people above ask to get paid a whole lot in order to once again 'perform the classics'. The exception is the other way around.
      - TeMPOraL 4y ago
        > There is a reason why all the people above ask to get paid a whole lot in order to once again 'perform the classics'. The exception is the other way around. Didn't know about that, but it explains a certain dynamic I've been wondering about. You go to a concert of a group that's been around for some years, maybe decades. You come there for the classics - the songs you've heard many years ago and grew to appreciate, the texts that you found some meaning in at some point in life. But the band plays new pieces, one after other, all inferior, all being not the thing you came for. You look around, you notice the facial expressions and body language of others in the audience. You know they came in for the classics too. The performers surely know that too. Yet they keep playing the new stuff, throwing in an older piece every now and then, seemingly oblivious to the meaning of applause and standing ovation they get each time. I've assumed it's mostly that the group really wants to try new things. But it may just be that they're tired playing the old ones. Still, it's a conflict of expectation, and why I personally don't go to concerts much.
        JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
        That's because say Page, Plant and John Paul Jones were there when they wrote and recorded 'Stairway to Heaven'. It's not like they felt something uniquely great about that piece of music, more likely they felt exactly the same as they did after writing and recording the other 300+ songs they recorded in their life. They probably think we are idiots for elevating it so much, and demand a premium to play it for the 3000th time, and also demand a premium for talking about and put up the act of having to sell to people the illusion that they also thought that something metaphysical was happening in the studio. Kids think 'doing it for the content' is something new, while it has always been around. People have 'done stuff for the content' for ages in order to buy nice cars, real estate, planes etc. I'm almost sure that what we feel when we hear 'Stairway to Heaven' is approximately the same enthusiasm they feel when they dump 20M on a private island in the Bahamas or access some new designer drug that is only availible for the wealthy. You can only unlock that type of enthusiasm if you are not involved in the creation and the promotion of the the thing being commercialised.
  - dQw4w9WgXcQ 4y ago
    Kareem literally says this in his post: > I don’t blame him for thinking that I might be bothered because he knows how competitive I used to be.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Michael Jordan definitely didn't have this mindset, and he was the greatest of all time. He was the epitome of cut throat.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      The 90’s were a funny time, history was over so we declared the best sports players at the time to be the “greatest ever.” The only sports that have seen their best players already are Baseball and Cycling, because they’ve gotten good at catching steroid users.
      - btilly 4y ago
        You forget javelin throwing, because the javelins were redesigned to keep them from possibly going into the stands
      - yucky 4y ago
        The greatest of all time is always understood to mean the greatest of all time so far. Nobody is pretending this is predictive of the future. There might be a 9 year old out there right now that is going to grow up and destroy Jordan's legacy. But as of now, no other player to play the game has surpassed him.
        orwin 4y ago
        Honestly, I'm a bit bummed that the 'greatest of all time' era was when this stupid 'illegal defense' rule, which is probably the stupidest rule ever in basketball, was deciding games. Basketball isn't really a 5 on 5 sport with this rule. It's a 2 on 2 or a 3 on 3. I remember in 2004, my brother's coach gave him a VHS collection of 60s and 70s NBA games because "that's when the US played team basketball, that's how I want you to play". I think he also gave him the spurs games of that year and a couple of eurobasket DVDs.
        exclusiv 4y ago
        Yes and people try to put Lebron side by side with Jordan but he's not even the best Laker in my opinion. I'd pick 3 Lakers ahead of him if I was doing an all-time draft.

by avelis 4y ago

Kareem understands that life is a collaborative game, not a zero-sum game. This is extra special coming from an athlete whose career was in excelling in a zero-sum game.

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awb 4y ago

To be fair, it’s much easier to have a collaborative view on life once you’re financially independent or have exceeded your goals. The unpaid college star that couldn’t make the NBA and is now struggling to make ends meet might not see life as a collaborative game.

dasil003 4y ago
This has some truth to it, but it’s also a cynical middle-brow dismissal. Plenty of rich are ultra competitive and plenty of poor people are collaborative. Also, older are generally a bit mellower and reflective, but even teenagers can demonstrate good team work and community thinking. A viewpoint like Kareem’s should be celebrated, not doused with cynicism.
za3faran 4y ago
He's a Muslim, and Islam gives you that collaborative and content outlook.
lib-dev 4y ago
Nah I think you have it backwards. The ones who make it have that mindset throughout.
- awb 4y ago
  I don’t think your theory explains angry rich people or cutthroat billionaires or self-indulgent winners or any successful person who’s ever evolved from being mean to being nice. We’re celebrating Kareem for how unique he is in his outlook because it’s so rare.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
    > > We’re celebrating Kareem for how unique he is in his outlook because it’s so rare. How is he unique? No human could possibly still milking an achievement 35 years into past. Financially maybe, but brain juice wise not so much. Led Zeppelin hate to play Stairway to Heaven and Eagles have come to hate Hotel California and Tom Brady is for sure tired to explain for the 1000th time the game winning drive against the St.Louis Rams in SuperBowl 2001. There is a reason why all the people above ask to get paid a whole lot in order to once again 'perform the classics'. The exception is the other way around.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      > There is a reason why all the people above ask to get paid a whole lot in order to once again 'perform the classics'. The exception is the other way around. Didn't know about that, but it explains a certain dynamic I've been wondering about. You go to a concert of a group that's been around for some years, maybe decades. You come there for the classics - the songs you've heard many years ago and grew to appreciate, the texts that you found some meaning in at some point in life. But the band plays new pieces, one after other, all inferior, all being not the thing you came for. You look around, you notice the facial expressions and body language of others in the audience. You know they came in for the classics too. The performers surely know that too. Yet they keep playing the new stuff, throwing in an older piece every now and then, seemingly oblivious to the meaning of applause and standing ovation they get each time. I've assumed it's mostly that the group really wants to try new things. But it may just be that they're tired playing the old ones. Still, it's a conflict of expectation, and why I personally don't go to concerts much.
      - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
        That's because say Page, Plant and John Paul Jones were there when they wrote and recorded 'Stairway to Heaven'. It's not like they felt something uniquely great about that piece of music, more likely they felt exactly the same as they did after writing and recording the other 300+ songs they recorded in their life. They probably think we are idiots for elevating it so much, and demand a premium to play it for the 3000th time, and also demand a premium for talking about and put up the act of having to sell to people the illusion that they also thought that something metaphysical was happening in the studio. Kids think 'doing it for the content' is something new, while it has always been around. People have 'done stuff for the content' for ages in order to buy nice cars, real estate, planes etc. I'm almost sure that what we feel when we hear 'Stairway to Heaven' is approximately the same enthusiasm they feel when they dump 20M on a private island in the Bahamas or access some new designer drug that is only availible for the wealthy. You can only unlock that type of enthusiasm if you are not involved in the creation and the promotion of the the thing being commercialised.
- dQw4w9WgXcQ 4y ago
  Kareem literally says this in his post: > I don’t blame him for thinking that I might be bothered because he knows how competitive I used to be.
- yucky 4y ago
  Michael Jordan definitely didn't have this mindset, and he was the greatest of all time. He was the epitome of cut throat.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    The 90’s were a funny time, history was over so we declared the best sports players at the time to be the “greatest ever.” The only sports that have seen their best players already are Baseball and Cycling, because they’ve gotten good at catching steroid users.
    - btilly 4y ago
      You forget javelin throwing, because the javelins were redesigned to keep them from possibly going into the stands
    - yucky 4y ago
      The greatest of all time is always understood to mean the greatest of all time so far. Nobody is pretending this is predictive of the future. There might be a 9 year old out there right now that is going to grow up and destroy Jordan's legacy. But as of now, no other player to play the game has surpassed him.
      - orwin 4y ago
        Honestly, I'm a bit bummed that the 'greatest of all time' era was when this stupid 'illegal defense' rule, which is probably the stupidest rule ever in basketball, was deciding games. Basketball isn't really a 5 on 5 sport with this rule. It's a 2 on 2 or a 3 on 3. I remember in 2004, my brother's coach gave him a VHS collection of 60s and 70s NBA games because "that's when the US played team basketball, that's how I want you to play". I think he also gave him the spurs games of that year and a couple of eurobasket DVDs.
      - exclusiv 4y ago
        Yes and people try to put Lebron side by side with Jordan but he's not even the best Laker in my opinion. I'd pick 3 Lakers ahead of him if I was doing an all-time draft.